Opinions on Boxing

[Left Hook Tua]

Byrd DID beat Tua and so did Rahman TWICE (unofficial of course). Yes he could have beat Ruiz again probably and certainly Maskaev and Liakhovich. Brewster would have been a great fight to watch. Tua's chin would probably prevail for him in that one. But Byrd and Rahman had their belts until 2006 and I don't think Tua in 2006 was prepared to compete with either as bad of shape as he was in. That WBO title would have always been there for him to go after.

you don't have to remind me about byrd. i know it was for an ibf eliminator but he should've skipped that fight. tua came in at 233 which is the best shape he had been in a long time. i thought he would run over byrd because there was no way byrd could come close to hurting tua. i was crying when byrd schooled him.

i'll give you 1 of the rahman fights. the 2nd being a draw was a gift for tua. the 1st i cannot. yes hasim was ahead but he got caught. one second after the bell or not......that's why they tell you , "keep your hands up at all times!"

besides he had the whole minute in between rounds to recover , he couldn't recover so that's on him. who's to say tua wouldn't have caught him in the next round if the after bell punch hadn't happened? oquendo was schooling fat tua too until tua caught him.

tua is like goonies , "he'll get you in the end"

unless your a great like lewis , very well skilled like byrd or a freak of nature like ibeabuchi......prime tua is tough to beat. (not that ike did beat tua. tua beat ibeabuchi imo)

[boxing_great]

i agree with u 100% and also on the point of there being really crap threads also

[Left Hook Tua]

i agree with u 100% and also on the point of there being really crap threads also

i was looking around for something to talk about and there was nothing last night.

that's why i threw a bunch of things out there so i have something to talk about.

i don't really mind threads that have a somewhat crappy topic as long as it's funny.

but sometimes there's just threads where people are just calling each other names and unless it's in a humorous manner , it gets kind of tiring.

even when i find a good thread someone started with a good topic no one is in it and it'll have like 10 posts because everyone is in the "joe calzaghe couldn't beat roy jones' sister" , "floyd mayweather makes more money than god" or "manny pacquiao eats dogs and uses steroids" thread.

[eazy_mas]

i was looking around for something to talk about and there was nothing last night.

that's why i threw a bunch of things out there so i have something to talk about.

i don't really mind threads that have a somewhat crappy topic as long as it's funny.

but sometimes there's just threads where people are just calling each other names and unless it's in a humorous manner , it gets kind of tiring.

even when i find a good thread someone started with a good topic no one is in it and it'll have like 10 posts because everyone is in the "joe calzaghe couldn't beat roy jones' sister" , "floyd mayweather makes more money than god" or "manny pacquiao eats dogs and uses steroids" thread.

but there is other thread opposite of those too. like Mayweather is chicken and Manny Pac is God....etc

the problem people in here are not boxing fan but they are nationality and racial fans. yes someone could be abit baise if someone is from the same race or nationality but come on at least respect the fighters. They worked hard to reach where they reached

[DiegoFuego]

you don't have to remind me about byrd. i know it was for an ibf eliminator but he should've skipped that fight. tua came in at 233 which is the best shape he had been in a long time. i thought he would run over byrd because there was no way byrd could come close to hurting tua. i was crying when byrd schooled him.

i'll give you 1 of the rahman fights. the 2nd being a draw was a gift for tua. the 1st i cannot. yes hasim was ahead but he got caught. one second after the bell or not......that's why they tell you , "keep your hands up at all times!"

besides he had the whole minute in between rounds to recover , he couldn't recover so that's on him. who's to say tua wouldn't have caught him in the next round if the after bell punch hadn't happened? oquendo was schooling fat tua too until tua caught him.

tua is like goonies , "he'll get you in the end"

unless your a great like lewis , very well skilled like byrd or a freak of nature like ibeabuchi......prime tua is tough to beat. (not that ike did beat tua. tua beat ibeabuchi imo)

You must not understand the rules then because you're allotted five minutes recovery time after a late hit, same as a low blow. The referee didn't understand this and made Rahman go out on bad legs. If you didn't get penalized for hitting after the bell + the other guy getting recovery time, then why wouldn't everyone go for their money punch once the other guy dropped his hands after the bell? Why wouldn't Tua always crack a guy as soon as the action was stopped?

Also, there's no way Tua won that fight with Ike. I scored it last week and have my scorecard at home. I thought it was very one-sided in terms of rounds though Tua did more damage. I either gave Ike 8 or 9 rounds. I noticed Lederman gave Tua a round after Ike won 3 or 4 in a row just so his card wouldn't be too off. Hate when judges do that.

[Left Hook Tua]

The problem with boxing is that there is too much pressure in lossing.

sometime one night will create you legacy or will destroy it whole.

example Chico getting knockdown 5 time against Mayweather or Roberto Duran quitting.

You need alot of wins to regain back what you lost.

That is why people hold to there undeafted record. Because if they dont they it will be hard for them to get good fights in the future

people need to change how they view losses. people are too enamored with the term "undefeated" that's why promoters are wary of setting up big fights for their fighters unless it's a ton of money.

we are too quick to call people "bums" when they lose.

people need to realize that you win some and you lose some. it's the level of opposition that matters. a loss to a top 10 guys should be viewed higher than a win against a guy that's not top 100.

look at tennis , basketball , football , baseball , golf etc.

how many teams go undefeated? how many golfers or tennis players win all four of the grand slams in one year?

we need to have fighters fight people on their level and not hold losses against them.

maybe we need a ranking system where the champions can only fight top 10 guys or champions in other weight classes , top 10 guys can only fight guys in the top 20 , top 20 guys can only fight top 30 guys and so on......

[Left Hook Tua]

You must not understand the rules then because you're allotted five minutes recovery time after a late hit, same as a low blow. The referee didn't understand this and made Rahman go out on bad legs. If you didn't get penalized for hitting after the bell + the other guy getting recovery time, then why wouldn't everyone go for their money punch once the other guy dropped his hands after the bell? Why wouldn't Tua always crack a guy as soon as the action was stopped?

Also, there's no way Tua won that fight with Ike. I scored it last week and have my scorecard at home. I thought it was very one-sided in terms of rounds though Tua did more damage. I either gave Ike 8 or 9 rounds. I noticed Lederman gave Tua a round after Ike won 3 or 4 in a row just so his card wouldn't be too off. Hate when judges do that.

it was on the ref and it was on the refs discretion as far as a break. i have the fight on dvd so i'll take a look at it again tonight. but from what i remember tua threw the punch right around the sound of the bell or a little after. it's not like the bell sounded and they stopped fighting and then tua threw a punch.

9-3 for ike? you are crazy , diego! that's it! you are off my x-mas card list! ha ha ha

i had the fight 7-5 tua i think. i have the fight on dvd as well i'll look at it later also. i'll watch it and bump this thread tonight to tell you how i scored it. it was a close fight and could've gone either way depending on judges but no way is it 9-3 or even 8-4 for ike. tua did way more damage and landed far harder punches. the problem is ike threw a lot more punches. he threw like 900+ punches in that fight. that's the only reason i see the judges giving it to him. ike won the 1st few rounds because he was throwing 100 punches a round and tua takes time to get warmed up. but tua won most of the mid and late rounds except for the last one which was close but i think ike squeaked out the last round nonetheless.

[DiegoFuego]

Ike clearly won the first four rounds. If you gave Tua any of them, then I really don't care to see your card because they were clearly for Ike. You don't just give Tua a round because he did better, you are supposed to be consistent. Once you give Ike the first four (I know Harold didn't because he doesn't like a guy to get too far ahead), are you really going to tell me you only gave Ike one more round? It's fine if you did, but I need to know.

Believe me, I am totally NOT one of those guys that awards volume of punches thrown over quality of punches landed. (This didn't happen but if) Ike lands 10 punches with no effect and Tua lands a left hook that knocks Ike back, then Tua is ahead. That just wasn't the case though. It was a good, hotly contested fight, but Tua was not winning rounds. He had a good chance in the 11th to win it but couldn't get the job done.

[eazy_mas]

people need to change how they view losses. people are too enamored with the term "undefeated" that's why promoters are wary of setting up big fights for their fighters unless it's a ton of money.

we are too quick to call people "bums" when they lose.

people need to realize that you win some and you lose some. it's the level of opposition that matters. a loss to a top 10 guys should be viewed higher than a win against a guy that's not top 100.

look at tennis , basketball , football , baseball , golf etc.

how many teams go undefeated? how many golfers or tennis players win all four of the grand slams in one year?

we need to have fighters fight people on their level and not hold losses against them.

maybe with need a ranking system were the champions can only fight top 10 guys or champions in other weight classes , top 10 guys can only fight guys in the top 20 , top 20 guys can only fight top 30 guys and so on......

It is easier said that told. Boxing is different from other sport.

There is only few fights per year and if you do bad in one night it could mean they you will have a long set-back in your career. even though you beaten many fighters.

I notice people alway call the loser bum even though he fought his way to the top to fight the champ. Example is Baldomir he is the new age cinderalla man even thouh Zab Judah wasnt his best version of Zab but it took him a long time to get that fight and would try to do anything to win.

I lose to Mayweather where Mayweather made it look easy easily downgraded his wins similar fashion to Gatti. Even though Gatti lost badly to Mayweather he is a good fight and have a long history of brawls under his belt no a bum.

Another thing fighters have to choose there fight wisely for use boxing is just a sport or entertainment but for those fighters is more of putting food on the table and it what pays them.

[Left Hook Tua]

It is easier said that told. Boxing is different from other sport.

There is only few fights per year and if you do bad in one night it could mean they you will have a long set-back in your career. even though you beaten many fighters.

I notice people alway call the loser bum even though he fought his way to the top to fight the champ. Example is Baldomir he is the new age cinderalla man even thouh Zab Judah wasnt his best version of Zab but it took him a long time to get that fight and would try to do anything to win.

I lose to Mayweather where Mayweather made it look easy easily downgraded his wins similar fashion to Gatti. Even though Gatti lost badly to Mayweather he is a good fight and have a long history of brawls under his belt no a bum.

Another thing fighters have to choose there fight wisely for use boxing is just a sport or entertainment but for those fighters is more of putting food on the table and it what pays them.

i know it's a business for boxers and they have to do what's in their best interest.

i mainly blame all the orgs. all of these could be solved by having only one governing body but it's not gonna happen.