Manny Pacquiao or Joe Calzaghe: Who is The P4P Best?

[them_apples]

Manny pacquiao

He fought better competition


Morales started to slide a bit, but Barrera and Marquez were TOP notch contenders. Hell, Marquez was the fastest he's ever been on his last match with Pacquiao.

Larios, Solis and even Valesques are some other tough contenders.

if he beats David Diaz then its a no brainer. Pacquiao fights for his countrymen not just the money, I guess that's why he tries so hard.

[Jim Jeffries]

Manny pacquiao

He fought better competition


Morales started to slide a bit, but Barrera and Marquez were TOP notch contenders. Hell, Marquez was the fastest he's ever been on his last match with Pacquiao.

Larios, Solis and even Valesques are some other tough contenders.

if he beats David Diaz then its a no brainer. Pacquiao fights for his countrymen not just the money, I guess that's why he tries so hard.

Morales had started to slide a lot and still beat Pac the first time. Barrera had started to slide, Marquez clearly beat him the first time, and most people thought a 34 year old Marquez beat him the second time. If he beats David Diaz, even though he was the weakest champ of the original 4, before Juan unified, then I agree with you.

More than likely since Pac was #2 before, he'll be #1 now though unless Zag beats Pavlik.

[Chase8400]

Manny will sit atop of the list if he beats Diaz by a KO or a very wide UD. If not, Calzaghe owns the first spot, in my opinion.

On a side note:
Mayweather should not be considered great if he stays retired at this point. We know he is a great fighter, but he will not have earned an all time great status for winning a few fights with just "some" of the best fighters around his weight class. He had alot more to prove, one thing being that he can beat a force like Miguel Cotto. That is what he should be remembered for. Not his referee enduced win against Hatton.

[KingTito]

Manny Pacquiao should be definitely.

[Domain]

why would calzaghe win?

just curious why if they were the same equal and pacman would have the power and speed advantage...pacman would taste those slaps and show he has superior underated boxing skills...joe calzaghe is no jmm! he doesnt have that type o superior skill, joe c is a swarming jumping in and out similar to pacman but he lacks the hard punch...pacman would leap back catch joe coming in counter him with his manila ice right hook that worked against morales...and follow with a straight hard left.

pacman then would double up on the jab and throw straights down the middle.

joes nose would break and if hopkins could knock down joe imagine a speedy hungry even more aggressive pacman...prime for prime pacman murders joe slapper! no question.

even barrera in his prime and jmm and morales would murder JOE C! and pacman beat all those guys so again how can you say joe c will win or is it british bias?

[Domain]

I'm going to make my decision after their next opponents and performances. If Calzaghe faces Pavlik and dominates him ala Kessler the Calzaghe will take the number 1. David Diaz isn't a P4P fighter so i'm going to wait to see if he wins that fight well and then see if he can beat Campbell/Casamayor.

If they both win in impressive fashion then It depends who does it better. RIGHT now if i had to chose I'd pick Pac-man but barely.

it would take Joe Calzaghe 5 fights against top tier legends for him to catch up wtih pacmans resume...

so dont give Joe C a top spot because he beats a guy coming up in wieght...if pacman beat a guy coming up in weight who is a top level guy people wouldnt give him credit for ****.

its a strange bias and it pisses me off.

its also funny how pacman who was a breath of fresh air for boxing when he first burst on the scene gets hated on because of a few moronic nutt huggers.

remember when pacman came on the scene? he was what boxing needed he came at a time when fighters never fought each other! but he said ok give me the next tough mexican, or the next tough guy...thats why people need to love this guy.

while joe calzaghe was pampering his padded record in england and wales pacman was already moving up in weights to vie for titles.

I also think Pavlik should be ranked higher then Calzaghe that is just me....plus Pavlik would murder the crap outta the slapper...Pavlik aint a coward with no heart his heart is big he has the will power of 100 men...joe C will be put into retirement by Pavlik.

[Ryn0]

why would calzaghe win?

just curious why if they were the same equal and pacman would have the power and speed advantage...pacman would taste those slaps and show he has superior underated boxing skills...joe calzaghe is no jmm! he doesnt have that type o superior skill, joe c is a swarming jumping in and out similar to pacman but he lacks the hard punch...pacman would leap back catch joe coming in counter him with his manila ice right hook that worked against morales...and follow with a straight hard left.

pacman then would double up on the jab and throw straights down the middle.

joes nose would break and if hopkins could knock down joe imagine a speedy hungry even more aggressive pacman...prime for prime pacman murders joe slapper! no question.

even barrera in his prime and jmm and morales would murder JOE C! and pacman beat all those guys so again how can you say joe c will win or is it british bias?

Prime for Prime? you've obviously never seen Joe Calzaghe's prime....
He's was primarily a Volume Power Puncher much like Pavlik. Please DO NOT think the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins was prime, he is almost 37 most boxers are out of the sport by then he's still a P4P fighter.

His fight against Brewer was BRUTAL. He was a fast, hard-hitting Volume puncher. He broke his hand during a fight against Evins Ashira he broke his hand and ever since he hasn't been able to land his power punch... the left hook properly. It's why he hits with the open part of the glove.

In a P4P and Prime for Prime fight i see a UD, Calzaghe 's chin is stellar he was off-balance against Hopkins and he payed, Pac-Man doesn't have the countering skill to take advantage of that and he is a come forward fighter which is exactly what Calzaghe likes. There both very Unorthadox, Pac-Man fights much like a yound Duran.
I see Pac-man landing big Right hands and Calzaghe landing big Left hooks very close rounds. Neither man goes down but both are hurt during the fight with Calzaghe's work rate pulling out the 113-114 win.

Right now though P4P i would have Pac-man higher because of his consistant opposition, I'm a HUGE fan of both fighters. I'm not being biased... and i'm not british either. But in an actually Prime for Prime fight Calzaghe would win based on styles.

[Domain]

**** it! If I were deciding who, it would Pacquiao and Cotto. Cotto about time gets his due. If he beats Marg. in July, he's def #2. The guy owned at 140lbs, moved up to 147lbs, and is still owning. Impressively all the way.

I agree!

I have no problem with cotto being number 1 over pacman and pacman number 2 if it happens to be that way...I actually got cotto number 2 and pacman number 1 right now.


its just this Calzslappy fans are sick and twisted they have no real knowledge of how to rank a fighter...how the hell is a guy like calzaghe gonna be the number 1 guy after 1 win?

and then they say title defenses? yes that is impressive....but only if you fought some top top guys..sven ottke was never p4p number 1 and he had so many defenses.

[Ryn0]

it would take Joe Calzaghe 5 fights against top tier legends for him to catch up wtih pacmans resume...

so dont give Joe C a top spot because he beats a guy coming up in wieght...if pacman beat a guy coming up in weight who is a top level guy people wouldnt give him credit for ****.

its a strange bias and it pisses me off.

its also funny how pacman who was a breath of fresh air for boxing when he first burst on the scene gets hated on because of a few moronic nutt huggers.

remember when pacman came on the scene? he was what boxing needed he came at a time when fighters never fought each other! but he said ok give me the next tough mexican, or the next tough guy...thats why people need to love this guy.

while joe calzaghe was pampering his padded record in england and wales pacman was already moving up in weights to vie for titles.

I also think Pavlik should be ranked higher then Calzaghe that is just me....plus Pavlik would murder the crap outta the slapper...Pavlik aint a coward with no heart his heart is big he has the will power of 100 men...joe C will be put into retirement by Pavlik.

O please i like you as a poster but that is just Bull****. Pavlik has beaten Taylor and Miranda, Miranda is a one dimentional guy with alot of power, Taylor got beat by Spinks and Wright and lost to Hopkins. NOW you may not have liked the way Joe beat Hopkins but he did beat him.

The knockdown was the opening round he wasn't in his rhythm, Pavlik got dropped in the 2nd and was wobbling all over the place yet no-one mentions that.

If Pac-man fought Guzman now i bet you he would get recognition. Guzman is coming up and so is Pac-man alot of people here think Guzman would beat him anyway. i don't.

Calzaghe would embarress Pavlik, Pavlik is kessler but with more power. He's and expert at the basics. Jab, Jab, Right hand. That's it. Calzaghe can adjust. He would dominate like he did against Kessler. IF the fight ever materialises I want to be all my point on Calzaghe against you.

[Domain]

Prime for Prime? you've obviously never seen Joe Calzaghe's prime....
He's was primarily a Volume Power Puncher much like Pavlik. Please DO NOT think the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins was prime, he is almost 37 most boxers are out of the sport by then he's still a P4P fighter.

His fight against Brewer was BRUTAL. He was a fast, hard-hitting Volume puncher. He broke his hand during a fight against Evins Ashira he broke his hand and ever since he hasn't been able to land his power punch... the left hook properly. It's why he hits with the open part of the glove.

In a P4P and Prime for Prime fight i see a UD, Calzaghe 's chin is stellar he was off-balance against Hopkins and he payed, Pac-Man doesn't have the countering skill to take advantage of that and he is a come forward fighter which is exactly what Calzaghe likes. There both very Unorthadox, Pac-Man fights much like a yound Duran.
I see Pac-man landing big Right hands and Calzaghe landing big Left hooks very close rounds. Neither man goes down but both are hurt during the fight with Calzaghe's work rate pulling out the 113-114 win.

Right now though P4P i would have Pac-man higher because of his consistant opposition, I'm a HUGE fan of both fighters. I'm not being biased... and i'm not british either. But in an actually Prime for Prime fight Calzaghe would win based on styles.

man
I have seen him I watched his old fights!

Yes he looked good but prime for prime Pacman would MURDER HIM!

Prime for Prime Barrera and Morales would murder Joe C as well!

Joe C had hand picked foes of course he would look impressive

there is no ****ing question.

I am just being honest...joe c would fight the kinda fight pacman likes sloppy with your face open the british style and people under rate pacmans skills! you tryt o swarm him he will take a quick step back and counter you.

Calzaghe will volume punch you to get a stoppage with gnat punches.

and you will probably discredit Pavlik when he knocks joe C silly...typical are you british by the way?

Joe C is not exciting! The most exciting fighters are on top rank, pavlik, pacquiao,cotto, and margarito...arce used to be exciting but he fell off bad.