who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard

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Ali for me.

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Prime Leonard was a more complete fighter than Ali was, no doubt.

The thing is that Ali had a heart the size of a planet, and managed to rule the best HW division (on par with the 90s) while PAST his prime. Think about it, a fighter past his prime is king of the toughest HW division in history...

I already touched the rematch issue, but that doesn matter much

[Dynamite Kid]

you speak of hagler's advantages how about ray, who had the ring that he wanted, the number of rounds that he wanted. that factors in bigtime, much more than ray not fighting and adding a couple of pounds.

ray knew his gameplan coming into the fight. it's not like he needed all that extra weight to outmuscle hagler. he stuck to his gameplan, staying out of danger, using the whole ring, and throwing flurries at the end of each round. that was his bread and butter

plus not a lot of people think that ray won that fight. just as many if not more people including ray will tell you he didnt deserve the draw against hearns in the second fight

Ray had the ring he wanted so what number of rounds so what ,Hagler got beat any more excuses Leonard did not complain that Carlos Padillo was letting Duran literally push him into the ropes so he could **** his body

we all know Leonard beat Hagler just cause Marvin threw his dummy out everybody jumped on the bandwagon, but in reallity we all know he lost and deep down so does Hagler

Ray had far less advantages than Hagler far less its not everyday u see a fighter come back and beat another fighter at his own weight after being inactive for 2 years & not just any fighter but arguably the best 160lbs fighter ever

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Ali for me.

and how did i know you were going to say that lol

cant blame you, the man was just too good

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Ali would get beaten by guys like Wladimir Klitschko, he was never able to deal with a good strong jab!

I think Leonard would easily get out-worked by Hatton as well, Hatton is quicker in his feet and doesn't get lazy in the later rounds.

Having said that I think Ali was the better fighter but I just wish Wladimir Klitschko boxed around his era so he could teach him how to deal with jabbers.

Hatton would have beaten SRL? Really? I'm hoping this is just another piss take by you Lucky. Really.
Ali was the closet thing to a legit heavy with middleweight skills that I have seen.
Toss up. Both are just that good.

[~Lucky13~]

Hatton would have beaten SRL? Really? I'm hoping this is just another piss take by you Lucky. Really.
Ali was the closet thing to a legit heavy with middleweight skills that I have seen.
Toss up. Both are just that good.

I stated earlier in the thread why I think Hatton would beat SRL.

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Ray had the ring he wanted so what number of rounds so what ,Hagler got beat any more excuses Leonard did not complain that Carlos Padillo was letting Duran literally push him into the ropes so he could **** his body

we all know Leonard beat Hagler just cause Marvin threw his dummy out everybody jumped on the bandwagon, but in reallity we all know he lost and deep down so does Hagler

Ray had far less advantages than Hagler far less its not everyday u see a fighter come back and beat another fighter at his own weight after being inactive for 2 years & not just any fighter but arguably the best 160lbs fighter ever

It was a fight Hagler should have won.

But Leonard did have pretty much everything in his favor, size of ring, size of gloves, number of rounds etc. Leonard admitted that if the fight went 15, he would have gotten knocked out but I mainly blame the Petronelli's for this because they let Leonard's people muscle them around at the negotiating table.

And the fact that Hagler had just been in a brutal war with John Mugabi didn't help Hagler either. In fact, one of the main reasons Leonard signed on for the fight was because he saw how much punishment Hagler took in that fight.

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I stated earlier in the thread why I think Hatton would beat SRL.

Leonard would **** that boy up worse than Mayweather Jr did.

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and how did i know you were going to say that lol

cant blame you, the man was just too good

Lol.

It was also because Leonard's style was designed to emulate Ali, he hired the same trainer etc.

He was a better brawler than Ali though.

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Ray had the ring he wanted so what number of rounds so what ,Hagler got beat any more excuses Leonard did not complain that Carlos Padillo was letting Duran literally push him into the ropes so he could **** his body

we all know Leonard beat Hagler just cause Marvin threw his dummy out everybody jumped on the bandwagon, but in reallity we all know he lost and deep down so does Hagler

Ray had far less advantages than Hagler far less its not everyday u see a fighter come back and beat another fighter at his own weight after being inactive for 2 years & not just any fighter but arguably the best 160lbs fighter ever

like ive said before, i never considered weight to be a big disadvatage for ray, for such an elite fighter those few pounds wouldnt matter. ray already knew the gameplan to beat hagler

it's same as mayweather vs de la hoya. floyd wasnt going to try to overpower da la hoya, he was gonna do what he does best. economical countepunching. that's why he weighed in only couple of pounds above the welterweight limit. he want gonna make it into a gatti ward situation

now in the case of someone like shane mosely, he really did need to have all that weight as an advantage, because he wasnt exactly going to outbox oscar, instead just going crazy at the exchanges. it really paid as a benefit

if ray went toe to toe i would hold it against him. but he went about his business by out boxing hagler and not doing anything dramatic.

trust me, in that fight the weight was not a major issue. plus over the years ray grew into that weight before stepping up to fight hagler, and moved up to pursue other fights and with title after that.