who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard

[Dynamite Kid]

It was a fight Hagler should have won.

But Leonard did have pretty much everything in his favor, size of ring, size of gloves, number of rounds etc. Leonard admitted that if the fight went 15, he would have gotten knocked out but I mainly blame the Petronelli's for this because they let Leonard's people muscle them around at the negotiating table.

And the fact that Hagler had just been in a brutal war with John Mugabi didn't help Hagler either. In fact, one of the main reasons Leonard signed on for the fight was because he saw how much punishment Hagler took in that fight.

TBH that does'nt mean much to me because Leonard beat Hagler regardless and if Hagler had been a natural WW he would have got beaten in his prime aswell

[Sweet Pea 50]

I stated earlier in the thread why I think Hatton would beat SRL.

Just read through the thread.
My bad, man. I should know better by now.

[Ras44]

Just read through the thread.
My bad, man. I should know better by now.

I even gave him green K for his handiwork.

[Silencers]

TBH that does'nt mean much to me because Leonard beat Hagler regardless and if Hagler had been a natural WW he would have got beaten in his prime aswell

Just to clarify, does this mean you are saying pound for pound, Leonard would beat Hagler in their respective primes?

[Sweet Pea 50]

I even gave him green K for his handiwork.

Ehh, sometimes my sarcasm meter is broke.
I laugh at myself sometimes in hind sight.

[MELLY-MEL...]

SRL..........................greater

[Left Hook Tua]

I admire Leonard for the exact same reasons you do. Him almost outbrawling Duran and trying to walk down Hearns are two of my favourite moments from boxing. The finish against Hearns, also, incredible!

Nothing Ali ever did was quite so impressive for me, but still some great moments, obviously.

i don't think he outbrawled duran. when he brawled with roberto he held his own but he lost. he made him look silly the second fight though.

ali had great skills. but his greatness came from his wins. their resume is close. but i'd still give the edge to ali.

ali beat liston to get his title wilfredo was just as great. ali vs. frazier 1 is comparable in legacy to leonard-hearns. they both while past their prime beat a perceived unbeatable champion (foreman for ali , hagler for leonard) although obviously ray's win was debatable but both benefited from friendly judging later in their careers.

[Left Hook Tua]

Ali would get beaten by guys like Wladimir Klitschko, he was never able to deal with a good strong jab!

I think Leonard would easily get out-worked by Hatton as well, Hatton is quicker in his feet and doesn't get lazy in the later rounds.

Having said that I think Ali was the better fighter but I just wish Wladimir Klitschko boxed around his era so he could teach him how to deal with jabbers.

i don't agree that wlad would beat ali but even if wlad could beat ali , it's not fair to judge it in that way. it's easier to compare lighter weight classes with different era's because the weight limit is a constant. a welter in 1940 is suppose to weight the same as a welter in 2008. (although with modern weight cutting , training and nutrition modern lightweights are the size of middleweights 40-50 years ago)

when leonard fought at welter they were the same size as the welters now.

when ali fought foreman was a monster at 6'3 230. wlad stands what 6'6? 6'7? in ali's day 6'1 220 was a good size for a heavy. now 6'1 220 guys cut weight to fight at cruiser.

[Boofdatruth]

Ali would get beaten by guys like Wladimir Klitschko, he was never able to deal with a good strong jab!

I think Leonard would easily get out-worked by Hatton as well, Hatton is quicker in his feet and doesn't get lazy in the later rounds.

Having said that I think Ali was the better fighter but I just wish Wladimir Klitschko boxed around his era so he could teach him how to deal with jabbers.

you are the absolute worst poster on here..............0 credibility............lol..........snicker....... .....

[Boogie Nights]

i don't agree that wlad would beat ali but even if wlad could beat ali , it's not fair to judge it in that way. it's easier to compare lighter weight classes with different era's because the weight limit is a constant. a welter in 1940 is suppose to weight the same as a welter in 2008. (although with modern weight cutting , training and nutrition modern lightweights are the size of middleweights 40-50 years ago)

when leonard fought at welter they were the same size as the welters now.

when ali fought foreman was a monster at 6'3 230. wlad stands what 6'6? 6'7? in ali's day 6'1 220 was a good size for a heavy. now 6'1 220 guys cut weight to fight at cruiser.

that's a good point, a lot of cruiserweights today would be pretty big heavyweights back in the day. i liked it better then, because of prolonged workrate.

many of today's big guys carry all that extra weight which only slows them down, makes them sloppy, and doesnt serve as an advantage anymore of just being "the bigger man".

with that said i wouldnt mind having a "heavyweight division" with the cut limit of 230 or so pounds. and then there should be a "supreheavyweight division" for those big bafoons