who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard

[Steak]

I think Leonard was better.

[Boogie Nights]

In my opinion Ali was better.

Archie Moore
Doug Jones
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
George Chuvalo
Cleveland Williams
Ernie Terrell
Zora Folley
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster
Bob Foster
Joe Bugner
Ken Norton
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ron Lyle

compared to

Ranzany
Andy Price
Wilfred Benitez
Roberto Duran
Ayub Kalule
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Donny Lalonde

It's the sheer amount of Ali's quality victories, although his p4p worth is hard to calculate because he was a heavyweight and naturally fought smaller and also bigger men.

If Leonard's career had not been cut short by the eye injury then perhaps he would rate higher than Ali IMO, but then again Ali missed 3 years of his prime as well.

i agree with manchine here, excellent post

[~Lucky13~]

maybe he did not see the uppercuts and left hooks that Leonard absorbed from Roberto Duran

Roberto Duran is not Hatton...
Duran was feather-fisted and never knocked out anybody worth a mention while Hatton nearly send Floyd to ***** town, come on man, let's a little reasonable once in a while...
Not the same fighters, and certainly not on the same level.
Hatton is a special fighter, one which requires an expert to take notice...

[TheGreatA]

TheManchine ,Leonard had to retire how many times

Archie Moore was an old man

Sonny Liston could not deal with lateral movemenr which tells u how limited he was ,that and the fact he pulled his arm out the socket hitting thin air LOL

Ken Norton we all know how that story goes

Moore was an old man but he was also the betting favorite against Ali (blame the oddmakers, not me). It's not one of his greatest victories for sure but it was a solid win that put him in the top 10 at that time.

Hagler was not very good at forcing a fight either (aside from the Hearns fight, look at how he did against Duran) and was thought to be past it by many (including Thomas Hearns) by the time Leonard got him.
That does not mean it was not a great win for Leonard.

Liston was seemingly unbeatable to the majority and Ali handled him.


3:10

I thought the second win against Norton was legit, I do not really rate Ali's career after the Thrilla in Manila as he was not the fighter he used to be after it.
He was favoured by the judges, jabbed and clinched for decisions.

[Dynamite Kid]

i do think ray outworked him, but also a lot of people would say that hagler won.....

when ali faced frazier for the third time they were both shot, but i thought what ali did in the manilla heat on those worn down legs was much more dramatic and courages than the approach ray used against hagler. better effort overall

whether ray faired better against his opposition than ali did against his is a matter of debate again

ali became the first man to tko liston making him quit in the fight where he was a huge underdog, in the one of the biggest upsets

in the rematch he ko'd liston, although under shady circumstances

he ko's invincible foreman, the man to knock out george

he beat frazier in their 2 other fights pretty convincingly, even badly wobbling frazier in the second fight

he gave patterson a boxing clinic

quarry was a tough son of a ***** who's very, very underated today. and of course his fights with norton were debatable but no real robberies

ali destroyed cleveland williams. not exactly a hall of famer, but dangerous opponent nevertheless.

ray had his great moments too, but i think that ali outdone him in that regard. but it doesnt take away the greatness from either fighter

well i got Leonard ,Muhammad Ali did not show me the power ,defence ,accuracy that Ray Leonard did i respect the fact u got Ali though

best ever LW : Duran
best ever :MW : Hagler
arugably 2/3 rd best WW ever Hearns
ATG fighter Wilfred Benitez
6 time world champ

[Ras44]

Roberto Duran is not Hatton...
Duran was feather-fisted and never knocked out anybody worth a mention while Hatton nearly send Floyd to ***** town, come on man, let's a little reasonable once in a while...
Not the same fighters, and certainly not on the same level.
Hatton is a special fighter, one which requires an expert to take notice...

"Roberto Duran is not Hatton...Duran was feather-fisted and never knocked out anybody worth a mention while Hatton nearly send Floyd to ***** town...Not the same fighters, and certainly not on the same level.
Hatton is a special fighter, one which requires an expert to take notice..." - ~Lucky13~

You are being sarcastic right?

[Parody]

"Roberto Duran is not Hatton...Duran was feather-fisted and never knocked out anybody worth a mention while Hatton nearly send Floyd to ***** town...Not the same fighters, and certainly not on the same level.
Hatton is a special fighter, one which requires an expert to take notice..." - ~Lucky13~

You are being sarcastic right?

[Ras44]

well i got Leonard ,Muhammad Ali did not show me the power ,defence ,accuracy that Ray Leonard did i respect the fact u got Ali though

best ever LW : Duran
best ever :MW : Hagler
arugably 2/3 rd best WW ever Hearns
ATG fighter Wilfred Benitez
6 time world champ

Benítez is one of the best defensive fighters ever in boxing. He had a defense that wasn't based on conning and clinching, but on pure reflexes. Still, Leonard beat him (though it was a ****ty stoppage, he could have finished that fight, but Leonard still would have won).

[~Lucky13~]

You are being sarcastic right?

Not at all, unlike most of you, I'm not brain-washed by the huge amount of hype that is applied in these old school fighter. I'm an expert, realistic and down to Earth. I know my stuff and you shouldn't disagree with someone of my caliber.

I provide you guys with well-thought, educated and intelligent responses, the least you can do is appreciate...

[Boogie Nights]

well i got Leonard ,Muhammad Ali did not show me the power ,defence ,accuracy that Ray Leonard did i respect the fact u got Ali though

best ever LW : Duran
best ever :MW : Hagler
arugably 2/3 rd best WW ever Hearns
ATG fighter Wilfred Benitez
6 time world champ

i respect the fact that you got leonard

you mean best light welterweight as in duran?? i would place pryor and tzu over him

edit, never mind, i got it. you right about duran, the best 135 pounder imo