who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard

[Left Hook Tua]

you are the absolute worst poster on here..............0 credibility............lol..........snicker....... .....

why? how do you know he's the worst poster?

because he thinks wlad could beat ali?

or hatton would beat leonard?

or he's comparing a 5 foot 6 limited 140-lber to a great welter who moved up all the way to super middle?

or because wlad and hatton made it to a thread about two of the greatest fighters of all time?

or have you just read every single post the guy has ever made?

or are you stating a fact that almost everyone on this forum already knows?

[Boofdatruth]

Ray faired better against the best fighters of his generation than Ali did wether he rematched them or not is irrelevant IMO cause he beat them 1st time around when they were at their best and when he fought Hagler they were both old/shot fighters and that was 2 divisions out of Leonards natural weight division and he still beat Hagler

no he didn't............people are still remembering the 70's version of ali..............the ali who fought before his exile is the greatest fighting machine who ever lived..........ali is top 5 best ever on all lists pfp.........leonard is more towards 10.........sure leonard beat hagler, duran, hearns and benitez........but after that, it's a who's who of fighters that we can bring up.............every last contender ali fought before and after exile with the exception of a few could all fight..........you check ali's resume and then check leonards, and it is no contest.........no contest.........and ali fought until he was 36.........sugar lost to norris at??????...........sugar and ali are in my top 5 all time............i loved sugar, but he had too much of a layoff for me to say he was better than ali or had a better career.........prime ali was the best fighting machine ever........and if wlad let sanders, purrity, and brewster beat him, then how would wlad be able to handle the best heavy ever???????.......size does not matter.......ali beat men in gorilla suits while wlad was the gorilla getting beat up.........davarryl williamson got with wlad.......for christ's sake..........lol...........ali best ever............

[Boofdatruth]

why? how do you know he's the worst poster?

because he thinks wlad could beat ali?

or hatton would beat leonard?

or he's comparing a 5 foot 6 limited 140-lber to a great welter who moved up all the way to super middle?

or because wlad and hatton made it to a thread about two of the greatest fighters of all time?

or have you just read every single post the guy has ever made?

or are you stating a fact that almost everyone on this forum already knows?

he said pav is greater than hop now, and that hatton would beat leonard........now what's it to ya.......and what's with the rambling on about nothing........???????

[Left Hook Tua]

that's a good point, a lot of cruiserweights today would be pretty big heavyweights back in the day. i liked it better then, because of prolonged workrate.

many of today's big guys carry all that extra weight which only slows them down, makes them sloppy, and doesnt serve as an advantage anymore of just being "the bigger man".

with that said i wouldnt mind having a "heavyweight division" with the cut limit of 230 or so pounds. and then there should be a "supreheavyweight division" for those big bafoons

heavies back then use to go 15. now they're out of breath and pawing after 4.

i always wanted a super heavy division but it'd hurt the heavy. heavy was suppose to be the biggest , baddest man on the planet. a super heavy would get rid of the freaks though. bye bye mr. nicolay "wearing a sweater during fights" valuev.

[Silencers]

In my opinion Ali was better.

Archie Moore
Doug Jones
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
George Chuvalo
Cleveland Williams
Ernie Terrell
Zora Folley
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster
Bob Foster
Joe Bugner
Ken Norton
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ron Lyle

compared to

Ranzany
Andy Price
Wilfred Benitez
Roberto Duran
Ayub Kalule
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Donny Lalonde

It's the sheer amount of Ali's quality victories, although his p4p worth is hard to calculate because he was a heavyweight and naturally fought smaller and also bigger men.

If Leonard's career had not been cut short by the eye injury then perhaps he would rate higher than Ali IMO, but then again Ali missed 3 years of his prime as well.

This about sums it up.

[Left Hook Tua]

he said pav is greater than hop now, and that hatton would beat leonard........now what's it to ya.......and what's with the rambling on about nothing........???????

my own sarcastic way of agreeing with you.

[Boofdatruth]

my own sarcastic way of agreeing with you.

lol............snicker..............

[pesticid]

who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard , i might be biased but i think it was Ray Leonard he had the same speed of hand and foot he had the same grannit chin he had the same Championship Heart yet he punched Harder & more accurately and he had a better defence & more allround skills IMO ,Leonard could fight at mid range /pocket and not get hit whilst tattooing his oponents he was also one helluva brawler and IMO he was and the best finisher in Boxing i have ever seen Mike Tyson comes close i must admit

Muhammad Ali was a tremendous fighter dont get me wrong ,but he was not as versatile as Ray Leonard IMO

Mohamad Ali made champions look like children next to him. I hate Ali with passion, but he was toying with people left and right.

[Thread Stealer]

Ali was the greater fighter.

Leonard was more complete. For the most part, heavyweights are less complete fighters than smaller guys.

[Boogie Nights]

heavies back then use to go 15. now they're out of breath and pawing after 4.

i always wanted a super heavy division but it'd hurt the heavy. heavy was suppose to be the biggest , baddest man on the planet. a super heavy would get rid of the freaks though. bye bye mr. nicolay "wearing a sweater during fights" valuev.

i dont think that the "heavies" are in any danger of getting hurt, because the damage has already been done. some of these cake-eating hippos are an insult to someone like ali, or any other great heavyweight.

the reason i would want a superheavyweight division is to isolate all these hungry bastards and let the real fellas do the work like the oldies went about it. some of these fights are just horrible to watch

back in the days, a heavyweight fight was an event....now it's an undercard stinker.

when was there a last major ppv heavyweight title fight?? maskaev vs past it, overweight rahman???

gone are the days my friend