who was the better fighter Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard

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  • ~Lucky13~
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    #21
    Hatton IMO is a nightmare for Leonard in terms of style, he would rush him all night long and breath down his neck while wrecking his weak body.
    Styles make fights, you have to remember that!

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    • TheGreatA
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      #22
      In my opinion Ali was better.

      Archie Moore
      Doug Jones
      Sonny Liston
      Floyd Patterson
      George Chuvalo
      Cleveland Williams
      Ernie Terrell
      Zora Folley
      Jerry Quarry
      Oscar Bonavena
      Jimmy Ellis
      Buster Mathis
      Mac Foster
      Bob Foster
      Joe Bugner
      Ken Norton
      Joe Frazier
      George Foreman
      Ron Lyle

      compared to

      Ranzany
      Andy Price
      Wilfred Benitez
      Roberto Duran
      Ayub Kalule
      Thomas Hearns
      Marvin Hagler
      Donny Lalonde

      It's the sheer amount of Ali's quality victories, although his p4p worth is hard to calculate because he was a heavyweight and naturally fought smaller and also bigger men.

      If Leonard's career had not been cut short by the eye injury then perhaps he would rate higher than Ali IMO, but then again Ali missed 3 years of his prime as well.
      Last edited by TheGreatA; 06-05-2008, 08:59 PM.

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      • abadger
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        #23
        Originally posted by ~Lucky13~
        Hatton IMO is a nightmare for Leonard in terms of style, he would rush him all night long and breath down his neck while wrecking his weak body.
        Styles make fights, you have to remember that!
        I think he would also be 'all over him like a rash'

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        • Dynamite Kid
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          #24
          Originally posted by abadger
          Never seen either, so once again, thanks for the tip. Appreciated.

          Abadger get the Lalonde fight its a class the way Ray takes him out

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          • Ras44
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            #25
            Originally posted by ~Lucky13~
            Hatton IMO is a nightmare for Leonard in terms of style, he would rush him all night long and breath down his neck while wrecking his weak body.
            Styles make fights, you have to remember that!
            Leonard? Weak body?
            Leonard fought Hagler. Leonard stood up to one of the top P4P punches in the game, Tommy Hearns. Hatton would die if Hagler ever touched him with a jab.

            Hatton got TKOed by Floyd Mayweather.

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            • abadger
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              #26
              Originally posted by Terrible...
              Abadger get the Lalonde fight its a class the way Ray takes him out
              Will do, thanks again.

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              • Parody
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                #27
                Originally posted by TheManchine
                In my opinion Ali was better.

                Archie Moore
                Doug Jones
                Sonny Liston
                Floyd Patterson
                George Chuvalo
                Cleveland Williams
                Ernie Terrell
                Zora Folley
                Jerry Quarry
                Oscar Bonavena
                Jimmy Ellis
                Buster Mathis
                Mac Foster
                Bob Foster
                Joe Bugner
                Ken Norton
                Joe Frazier
                George Foreman
                Ron Lyle

                compared to

                Ranzany
                Andy Price
                Wilfred Benitez
                Roberto Duran
                Ayub Kalule
                Thomas Hearns
                Marvin Hagler
                Donny Lalonde

                It's the sheer amount of Ali's quality victories, although his p4p worth is hard to calculate as he was a heavyweight and naturally fought smaller and also bigger men.

                Henry Cooper and Earnie Shavers too.

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                • Dynamite Kid
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by TheManchine
                  In my opinion Ali was better.

                  Archie Moore
                  Doug Jones
                  Sonny Liston
                  Floyd Patterson
                  George Chuvalo
                  Cleveland Williams
                  Ernie Terrell
                  Zora Folley
                  Jerry Quarry
                  Oscar Bonavena
                  Jimmy Ellis
                  Buster Mathis
                  Mac Foster
                  Bob Foster
                  Joe Bugner
                  Ken Norton
                  Joe Frazier
                  George Foreman
                  Ron Lyle

                  compared to

                  Ranzany
                  Andy Price
                  Wilfred Benitez
                  Roberto Duran
                  Ayub Kalule
                  Thomas Hearns
                  Marvin Hagler
                  Donny Lalonde

                  It's the sheer amount of Ali's quality victories, although his p4p worth is hard to calculate as he was a heavyweight and naturally fought smaller and also bigger men.

                  If Leonard's career had not been cut short by the eye injury then perhaps he would rate higher than Ali IMO, but then again Ali missed 3 years of his prime as well.
                  TheManchine ,Leonard had to retire how many times

                  Archie Moore was an old man

                  Sonny Liston could not deal with lateral movemenr which tells u how limited he was ,that and the fact he pulled his arm out the socket hitting thin air LOL

                  Ken Norton we all know how that story goes

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                  • Boogie Nights
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Terrible...
                    Ray faired better against the best fighters of his generation than Ali did wether he rematched them or not is irrelevant IMO cause he beat them 1st time around when they were at their best and when he fought Hagler they were both old/shot fighters and that was 2 divisions out of Leonards natural weight division and he still beat Hagler
                    i do think ray outworked him, but also a lot of people would say that hagler won.....

                    when ali faced frazier for the third time they were both shot, but i thought what ali did in the manilla heat on those worn down legs was much more dramatic and courages than the approach ray used against hagler. better effort overall

                    whether ray faired better against his opposition than ali did against his is a matter of debate again

                    ali became the first man to tko liston making him quit in the fight where he was a huge underdog, in the one of the biggest upsets

                    in the rematch he ko'd liston, although under shady circumstances

                    he ko's invincible foreman, the man to knock out george

                    he beat frazier in their 2 other fights pretty convincingly, even badly wobbling frazier in the second fight

                    he gave patterson a boxing clinic

                    quarry was a tough son of a ***** who's very, very underated today. and of course his fights with norton were debatable but no real robberies

                    ali destroyed cleveland williams. not exactly a hall of famer, but dangerous opponent nevertheless.

                    ray had his great moments too, but i think that ali outdone him in that regard. but it doesnt take away the greatness from either fighter

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                    • Dynamite Kid
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Ras44
                      Leonard? Weak body?
                      Leonard fought Hagler. Leonard stood up to one of the top P4P punches in the game, Tommy Hearns. Hatton would die if Hagler ever touched him with a jab.

                      Hatton got TKOed by Floyd Mayweather.
                      maybe he did not see the uppercuts and left hooks that Leonard absorbed from Roberto Duran

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