Joe Cazaghe's resume: very impressive

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  • Steak
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    #111
    Originally posted by Pelon Psyclone
    Got proof? Or is it just typical american arrogance? I would think since the competition in the united states is as superior as you say, we'd have more american Olympic and amateur world champions. How come its not com*****g properly though?


    Facts, american fighters are afraid to fight outside of their country.
    its not that American fighters are better, its that fighters that go to America generally get better and bigger fights than other places. thats all. I mean, Hatton himself said something like that

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      #112
      Originally posted by RodBarker
      How can you of all people call anybody a hater or a troll , bit of the pot calling the kettle black eh .
      Bullocks!

      I may dislike certain fighters, but I will never just dismiss a top fighter as a "bum, overrated, etc" just because I don't like them. I respect every fighter that steps in the ring knowing they may never leave it the same since boxing is such a dangerous sport.

      I also don't troll, I'm more than willing to discuss boxing. I do get frustrated with the posters that just diminish every fighter they don't like.

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        #113
        Originally posted by blackirish137
        its not that American fighters are better, its that fighters that go to America generally get better and bigger fights than other places. thats all. I mean, Hatton himself said something like that
        I understand that, but there are people who will say that american fighters are better competition and that is simply not the case. A "B" or "C" level fighter is a "B" or "C" level fighter on any continent.

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          #114
          Originally posted by Pelon Psyclone
          Got proof? Or is it just typical american arrogance? I would think since the competition in the united states is as superior as you say, we'd have more american Olympic and amateur world champions. How come its not com*****g properly though?


          Facts, american fighters are afraid to fight outside of their country.
          Americans are going to have to start fighting more often in Europe to make any money since it's quickly becoming the new "mecca" of boxing while it's popularity in the states is minimal.

          With so many current Euro Champions and top ranked fighter there is going to be no reason to fight in America since many more people go to the fights in Europe than America.

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            #115
            Originally posted by Pelon Psyclone
            I understand that, but there are people who will say that american fighters are better competition and that is simply not the case. A "B" or "C" level fighter is a "B" or "C" level fighter on any continent.
            I think we can all agree with that. It matters who the fighter is, not where they came from.

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              #116
              Originally posted by Johnny Rebel
              Americans are going to have to start fighting more often in Europe to make any money since it's quickly becoming the new "mecca" of boxing while it's popularity in the states is minimal.

              With so many current Euro Champions and top ranked fighter there is going to be no reason to fight in America since many more people go to the fights in Europe than America.

              You kind of led me into the next portion of my stance. If american fighters are the only ones worth a damn, how come there are only 2 that are recognized as Ring world champions? One would tend to think that with 17 divisions, there would be more american champions than 2. So where is all of this superiority coming from?

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                #117
                Originally posted by Tunney
                Many of his opponents have held world titles:

                Eubank (WBO twice, at 160 and 168)
                Reid (WBC at 168)
                Hopkins (IBF, WBC, WBO, WBA, Ring at 160, and IBO, Ring at 175)
                Kessler (WBA and WBC at 168)
                Lacy (IBF at 168)
                Mitchell (WBA twice at 168)
                Brewer (IBF at 168)
                Veit (interim WBO twice at 168)
                Woodhall (WBC at 168)
                Thornberry (IBO at 168)

                Some of the others were strong opponents too:

                Bika (contender champion 2007)
                Sheika (was coming off a win over Glen Johnson)

                Some were undefeated:

                Kessler (39-0)
                Lacy (21-0)
                Veit (30-0)
                Hughes (12-0)
                Delaney (21-0)

                Calzaghe currently holds the prestigious Ring title in two different weight classes, super middleweight and light heavyweight, at the same time!

                It's a very good resume by any standards.
                This is the most pathetic attempt to hype a resume as I've seen in a while. I can't believe this guy had the gall to put an IBO CHAMP up there, like that's a real title LMAO.

                And Mario Veit? Who the **** are Hughes and Delaney? Is this guy serious? I was ringside for a 42-0 heavyweight a couple weeks - absolutely one of the worst fighters I've ever seen. I guess I should hype him up cuz he's undefeated.

                Calzaghe's best wins are Kessler, Hops and - to a lesser extent - Lacy. That's really it. None of those other guys are anywhere as impressive or even that good. Most were washed up or just plain average. Charles Brewer, however, was an underrated win for him. But even that, in the big scheme of things means very, very little.

                Just stop it, man.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Pelon Psyclone

                  You kind of led me into the next portion of my stance. If american fighters are the only ones worth a damn, how come there are only 2 that are recognized as Ring world champions? One would tend to think that with 17 divisions, there would be more american champions than 2. So where is all of this superiority coming from?
                  Jealousy is a ***** ain't it?

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    This is the most pathetic attempt to hype a resume as I've seen in a while. I can't believe this guy had the gall to put an IBO CHAMP up there, like that's a real title LMAO.

                    And Mario Veit? Who the **** are Hughes and Delaney? Is this guy serious? I was ringside for a 42-0 heavyweight a couple weeks - absolutely one of the worst fighters I've ever seen. I guess I should hype him up cuz he's undefeated.

                    Calzaghe's best wins are Kessler, Hops and - to a lesser extent - Lacy. That's really it. None of those other guys are anywhere as impressive or even that good. Most were washed up or just plain average. Charles Brewer, however, was an underrated win for him. But even that, in the big scheme of things means very, very little.

                    Just stop it, man.
                    There was no hyping, I simply stated some facts. You're obviously very jealous of Joe's accomplishments.

                    By the way, no 42-0 heavyweight fought a couple of weeks ago. You just made that up.
                    Last edited by The Hammer; 05-30-2008, 09:55 AM.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED
                      This is the most pathetic attempt to hype a resume as I've seen in a while. I can't believe this guy had the gall to put an IBO CHAMP up there, like that's a real title LMAO.

                      And Mario Veit? Who the **** are Hughes and Delaney? Is this guy serious? I was ringside for a 42-0 heavyweight a couple weeks - absolutely one of the worst fighters I've ever seen. I guess I should hype him up cuz he's undefeated.

                      Calzaghe's best wins are Kessler, Hops and - to a lesser extent - Lacy. That's really it. None of those other guys are anywhere as impressive or even that good. Most were washed up or just plain average. Charles Brewer, however, was an underrated win for him. But even that, in the big scheme of things means very, very little.

                      Just stop it, man.

                      How is that "hyping a resume" it reports the facts and nothing else. If you want to ignore the fact that all those guys were good enough to hold world titles, that's up to you.

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