Joe Cazaghe's resume: very impressive

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  • It's Bobby Lee
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    #11
    as much as his resume looks good there is still no doubt that pavlik will put him down the canvass.

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    • The Hammer
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      #12
      No matter who Joe defeats, there will always be those who discredit his resume. Every great fighter has his critics - the only ones no one ever posts anything negative about are the boxers with mediocre records like 14 wins and 12 losses!

      The better a fighter is, the more some people will discredit him.
      Last edited by The Hammer; 05-28-2008, 10:36 PM.

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        #13
        Originally posted by TheManchine
        You will never make the names aside from Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy and Eubank sound impressive to the Americans so it won't really matter.

        They will be passed off as mere titleholders in a weak division and to be honest, that is basically what they were but I do think Calzaghe should be given credit for how consistent he was against solid opposition.
        Reid, Mitchell, Woodhall, Brewer and Sheika were tough fighters.

        I do find it quite hypocritical for people who criticize Hopkins' MW opposition as often as they do to make Calzaghe's SMW resume look greater by the amount of titleholders he beat as Hopkins probably beat the same amount (Joppy, Holmes, JD Jackson, Daniels, Allen, Johnson), you just don't see much talk about it.

        Last paragraph, good point. Also, I think it is generally worse the other way. So many B-Hop fans take huge digs at Calzaghe's SMW reign without realising it was as bad, or as good, as Hopkins'.

        Neither of them fought really great opponents simply because at the time there weren't a lot for them to fight. Nonetheless, they beat all the champs that were put in front of them which is something that very few can lay claim to. Well, Calzaghe beat everyone put in front of him. They are both great fighters, and I think it is time that people got over it.

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        • The Hammer
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          #14
          Originally posted by starjammer
          I was waiting for someone to put together something like this. I was too lazy. Good job.
          Thanks!

          The haters should learn more about Joe, perhaps watch some of his fights.

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          • BennyST
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            #15
            Originally posted by blackirish137
            Well, you cant count the IBO. That is not a real belt, especially not back in the day. Its actually making good decisions now, but I really odnt want to give it any status....I mean really, FIVE title belts?! its just a travesty. It was much better when there was just two, now every other guy is a 'World Titlist'...

            And you cant really call Veit a World Champ. the belt he 'won' was not only an interim one, but he only won the interim belt because Calzaghe himself was inactive. thats hardly fair.

            Ive heard that Sheika was given a gift against Glen Johnson, but I cant say anything for myself. yet to see it.

            otherwise yep, an excellent record. one of the best of the last 10 years.
            That means that Hopkins was never a title holder at 175?

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            • Steak
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              #16
              Originally posted by BennyST
              That means that Hopkins was never a title holder at 175?
              technically no, but it doesnt matter, because it was still an excellent win.

              in today's boxing world, it doesnt really matter if a guy beats title holders, its the names they beat that matter. theres just so many belts...being 'champ' doesnt seem to meet much. I mean, guys like Monske Fana are considered former champs nowadays...a complete joke.

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              • The Hammer
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                #17
                Originally posted by abadger
                Was going to do a post like this myself, but never had the time. Excellent work. Just be sure to bump it at the appropriate times. I think a few posters on here will be surprised, though they won't admit it.
                Yes, if people take a look at Joe's resume without prejudice and hatred, it's actually very good.

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                • RodBarker
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Tunney
                  Yes, if people take a look at Joe's resume without prejudice and hatred, it's actually very good.
                  And if you look at it for real and look at the opponents form leading into their fight with Joe and then their last opponets the resume is full of holes , not saying Joe is bad or anything like that , he is a very good champ , just saying he is not great or an ATG he was brought along semi protected in the UK for a long time , the longer a fighter is homebound before heading to the USA the more hand picked their career has been getting to that point , no ones fault just the real world and the way world boxing has evolved .

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by RodBarker
                    the longer a fighter is homebound before heading to the USA the more hand picked their career has been getting to that point , no ones fault just the real world and the way world boxing has evolved .
                    Many European/British fighters have been underrated simply because they are not American or don't fight in the US, Joe Calzaghe being one of the best examples.

                    This is gradually changing, however.

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                    • CardioMonster
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by RodBarker
                      the longer a fighter is homebound before heading to the USA the more hand picked their career has been getting to that point , no ones fault just the real world and the way world boxing has evolved .
                      I disagree, Hopkins backed out of a fight with JC way before JC was a LHW. If you are the champion which JC was in the SMW division, the challengers should come to you. I dont buy into all this mecca of boxing garbage that Americans use as an excuse not to leave their own back yard.

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