Joe Cazaghe's resume: very impressive

[The Hammer]

its not discrediting him, its just that some of yall go insane about his record and overdue how good he is, and you need to be kept in check.

its like that with any hyped up fighter. There record can be great, but sometimes people overhype them, and need to be waken up. take Margarito or Floyd for example. theyre both very good fighters, but sometimes their fans make them out to be a little more than they really are.

In my opening post in this thread, I simply stated facts. There was no hyping or going insane about his record.

An better example of overdoing how good a fighter is: a Tony Thompson fan honestly believing he will defeat Wlad!

[Steak]

In my opening post in this thread, I simply stated facts. There was no hyping or going insane about his record.

I never said you did, and there was nothing wrong with your opening post. but others Calzaghe fans overrate it sometimes, it happens.

A better example of overdoing how good a fighter is: a Tony Thompson fan honestly believing he will defeat Wlad!

of course hes not, goofball. Tony Thompson is nothing special, the man started boxing in his mid-20s. but I still have to support him, dont I? just because someone supports a fighter doesnt mean they think that guy is unbelievably good.
hell, sometimes I support a fighter just becasue theyre horribly bad.
Like Ruiz!

besides, if we want to talk about overhyping a fighter, if I was a mean guy I would bring up the fact that you were hyping up Joey Abell. Andrew Greenley knows how good he really was. I think that was his name at least. but I wouldnt do that.

[Dorian]

It's not as bad as some people say, plus now he wants Pavlik, Jones

[Vigilant3]

You say you don't hate Joe, but if you didn't, you wouldn't make all these posts discrediting him.

So posting facts to keep people in check means you hate someone?

I won't lie. I really dislike Joe Calzaghe -- but that doesn't change that I will never be biased when talking about boxing.

For example: I absolutely love Ricky Hatton and I hate Mayweather with a passion, but it's not like it was hard to see who was going to win that fight, so I didn't bother kidding myself or playing with others -- I stated clearly that it was a bad fight for Hatton (especially at 147).

That said, Calzaghe is dreadfully padded and has a "good" record...for a regular fighter; however, if you compare that record to people that are ATGs and even the top 25 fighters of the last 30 years...it falls very, very short.

See, what people in boxing don't realize, oftentimes, is that everything is relative. A journeyman with 40 wins and no losses against mediocre opponents looks good...for a journeyman. However, you would expect an undisputed super middleweight champion, who has reigned for what, 10 years?, to have fought more actual talent, especially since he hasn't been exactly impressive in his reign since he has struggled with all of the "stiff" competition he has faced(aside from his fight with Lacy...who could barely beat a contender star).

That said, many argue that RJJ doesn't have much of an impressive record either, and that his fights were all hand-picked to be safe. You have to realize that, first of all, his level of competition was far above that of Calzaghes regardless of whether they were world-class or not. Second of all, RJJ made it look disgustingly easy. How many years did he go without losing a single round, let alone a fight?

Anyway, I don't believe that Hopkins ducked Calzaghe -- and, while this is only my opinion -- I think that Calzaghe was too afraid (or too protected) to leave his country to go and fight the bigger names. It isn't a question of money because he would have made more fighting in America without a doubt. If there's one place in the world to get money in boxing, it's there.

This topic is kind of ****** anyway, but Calzaghe has had far from an impressive record.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Obviously you havent followed boxing very long , America has alway been the mecca of boxing because thats where the biggest dollar is , whether you like it or not doesnt really matter , whether you think its right or wrong doesnt matter either ,,, Fact is thats the way it is and has been for an age .

I've been a fan for over 25 years now and I haven't read any boxing handbook or rulebook that says that a fighter that isn't american must fight in america to be great. american fighters, rarely, if ever, defend their "world" championship outside of their home country.

Those are the facts.

Now, my question to you is, do you want the fighters to come to america because there is more money or because the competition is better?

[Burner]

No matter how you spin it.....That is not a great or even good resume.

[Jim Jeffries]

No matter how you spin it.....I am not a great or even good poster.

I agree completely.

[RodBarker]

I've been a fan for over 25 years now and I haven't read any boxing handbook or rulebook that says that a fighter that isn't american must fight in america to be great. american fighters, rarely, if ever, defend their "world" championship outside of their home country.

Those are the facts.

Now, my question to you is, do you want the fighters to come to america because there is more money or because the competition is better?

25 yrs and you still say its not so , tell me when was that the case , try and stay in the 1900 century , even the fighters your backing say they got to go to the states , like I say , its just the way it is and you saying its bull**** to the cows come home dont change the real world we live in and dont make it untrue ,

I want fighters to go to America because the competition is a lot better over there and bull**** will get sorted out over there sooner rather than later , the money and adulation is bait to make them go , but some lucky ones that can make really good money staying home choose to stay away from the best competition , its two fold but the best competition from a youngsters first walk into a gym to top of the world status is in the USA , thats a fact .

[Vasyl’s dad]

25 yrs and you still say its not so , tell me when was that the case , try and stay in the 1900 century , even the fighters your backing say they got to go to the states , like I say , its just the way it is and you saying its bull**** to the cows come home dont change the real world we live in and dont make it untrue ,

I want fighters to go to America because the competition is a lot better over there and bull**** will get sorted out over there sooner rather than later , the money and adulation is bait to make them go , but some lucky ones that can make really good money staying home choose to stay away from the best competition , its two fold but the best competition from a youngsters first walk into a gym to top of the world status is in the USA , thats a fact .

Got proof? Or is it just typical american arrogance? I would think since the competition in the united states is as superior as you say, we'd have more american Olympic and amateur world champions. How come its not com*****g properly though?


Facts, american fighters are afraid to fight outside of their country.

[Burner]

I am gay completely.

Really???

Well atleast you can be yourself bud...