UFC was the bomb tonight!!!

[Sin City]

hey thats better then CBS sports forums! they have a Boxing MMA link and no one talks about boxing in there! its all MMA articles and topics....Boxing is pretty much getting trumped...the only reqason Boxing is still kicking is cause the 40-60 crowd is still around ordering ppvs...but in order for boxing to survive they need to somehow capture the 14-25 year old market that ufc already got a strangle hold on...if they dont do that Boxing will just be a olympic sport like wrestling and judo and thats it....and MMA will take over as the premier combat sport in USA.,

You obviously have no knowledge of boxing history or of boxing itself.
Boxing has been around since ancient times and hasn't died for a reason.
UFC can play to the ADD crowed of America where kids see a cage and fancy lighting and automatically get drawn in.
You are ****ing ******ed to think that because Boxing isn't getting good ratings in America it will die globally
America isn't the only country that boxes or watches boxing..
Yeah, cus Americans don't watch soccer its dead around the world.. please.
Y'all may be ood and awed by the UFC trend but the majority of the world ain't picking up on it.

[Miburo]

You obviously have no knowledge of boxing history or of boxing itself.
Boxing has been around since ancient times and hasn't died for a reason.

Like Pankration? Submission wrestling?
London Prize Ring rules was a significantly different sport as well, sort of a mix between boxing and MMA (standing throws and dirty boxing legal).

[Kball15]

another great point!

the first oscar vs floyd jr fight spoiled it...if floyd jr and oscar really put on a great fight then floyd jrs ppv with hatton would of done way better then 800k...it would of been 1 million buys probably.

but what a letdown the oscar vs floyd jr fight was.

I absolutely agree 100%

Although Oscar definetly still draws in a huge PPV audience, so FLoyd-Oscar 2 will still do well over 1 million.

Which is a crying shame, because Cotto and Margarito will literally put their lives on the line in a titanic battle... yet they will earn an 8th of the money and fight before nearly 1/20th of the audience.

A crying shame

[Domain]

Sherk has clearly trained the fundamentals but like Matt Hughes (although to a much lesser extent) he's still awkward with his striking, the result of trying to adapt it on top of a wrestling-based style. Very few wrestlers and submission wizards have been able to evolve into top strikers (Penn being one of them, Fedor another).

Actual Sherk has amazing boxing its just his hands are so damn short but his boxing is crisp but super short arms...hughes boxing sucks though lol

[neils7147933]

You obviously have no knowledge of boxing history or of boxing itself.
Boxing has been around since ancient times and hasn't died for a reason.
UFC can play to the ADD crowed of America where kids see a cage and fancy lighting and automatically get drawn in.
You are ****ing ******ed to think that because Boxing isn't getting good ratings in America it will die globally
America isn't the only country that boxes or watches boxing..
Yeah, cus Americans don't watch soccer its dead around the world.. please.
Y'all may be ood and awed by the UFC trend but the majority of the world ain't picking up on it.

I prefer boxing to MMA but I'm kind of embarassed at some of the boxing fans' ignorance when it comes to this made-up rivalry, which is actually helping boxing because it keeps the sport's name out there where otherwise it would be largely ignored by the mainstream sports media.

But the whole "rest of the world ain't picking up on it" thing may be technically accurate, because we're kind of late over here...

MMA has also been around since ancient times, though its current presentation is innovative...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts

History

[edit] Pre-modern


One of the earliest forms of widespread unarmed combat sports with minimal rules was Greek pankration, which was introduced into the Olympic Games in 648 B.C.[5] Even as late as the Early Middle Ages, statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts.

No-holds-barred events reportedly took place in the late 1800s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles including various catch wrestling styles, Greco-Roman wrestling and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout Europe. The first major encounter between a boxer and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when John L. Sullivan, then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion William Muldoon, and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an armlock and made the boxer submit. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender Kingfish Levinsky and veteran professional wrestler Ray Steele competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds.[6]

Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of Bartitsu, founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles,[7] and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.[7]

Mixed style contests such as boxing vs. jujutsu were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s.[8] In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.[citation needed]

Professional wrestling died out after World War I and was reborn in two streams: "shoot", in which the fighters actually competed, and "show," which evolved into modern professional wrestling.[6]

Not a US sport:

Modern


The history of modern MMA competition can be traced to mixed style contests throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s; the Gracie family's vale tudo martial arts tournaments in Brazil starting in the 1920s; and early mixed martial arts matches hosted by Antonio Inoki in Japan in the 1970s. The sport gained international exposure and widespread publicity in the United States in 1993, when Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie handily won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament, submitting three challengers in just five minutes,[10] sparking a revolution in the martial arts.[11] Meanwhile in Japan the continued interest in the sport resulted in the creation of the PRIDE Fighting Championships in 1997.[12]

The movement that led to the creation of the UFC and PRIDE was rooted in two interconnected subcultures. First were the vale tudo events in Brazil, followed by the Japanese shoot wrestling shows. Vale tudo began in the 1920s with the "Gracie challenge" issued by Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and upheld later on by descendants of the Gracie family.[5] In Japan in the 1970s, a series of mixed martial arts matches were hosted by Antonio Inoki, inspiring the shoot-style movement in Japanese professional wrestling, which eventually led to the formation of the first mixed martial arts organizations, such as Shooto, which was formed in 1985.
Chuck Liddell (right) and Tito Ortiz broke PPV records with their rematch at UFC 66.
Chuck Liddell (right) and Tito Ortiz broke PPV records with their rematch at UFC 66.

The concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts was pioneered and popularized by Bruce Lee in the late 1960's to early 1970's. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style." His innovative concepts were recognized in 2004 by UFC President Dana White when he called Lee the "father of mixed martial arts."[13] Recognition of it's effectiveness as a test came as the United States Army began to sanction mixed martial arts with the first annual All Army Combatives Championships held by the US Army Combatives School in November 2005.

The sport reached a new peak of popularity in North America in the December 2006 rematch between then UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell and former champion Tito Ortiz, rivaling the PPV sales of some of the biggest boxing events of all time,[4] and helping the UFC's 2006 PPV gross surpass that of any promotion in PPV history. In 2007, Zuffa LLC, the owners of the UFC MMA promotion, bought Japanese rival MMA brand PRIDE, merging the contracted fighters under one promotion[14] and drawing comparisons to the consolidation that occurred in other sports, such as the AFL-NFL Merger in American football.[15]



Ricky Hatton drew 55K tonight. K-1 started drawing that in 2006:

http://k-1sport.de/en/history/history.php

I've heard some doubts about the first stat, just as in the WMIII attendance figure that WWF reported, but look at these numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_league_attendances#Mixed_Martial_Arts

Mixed Martial Arts

* The record for any professional fight event is the PRIDE and K-1 co-hosted Shockwave/Dynamite match held on 28 August 2002, taking in 91,107 paid spectators held in the Tokyo National Stadium, Tokyo, Japan.[31]
* PRIDE Fighting Championship: Although the Shockwave/Dymanite event mentioned above is the highest of all time, the highest spectator attendance for an individually hosted PRIDE event is the PRIDE Final Conflict 2003 with an attendance figure of 67,450 on 9 November 2003 at Tokyo National Stadium, Tokyo, Japan.
* K-1: Although the Shockwave/Dymanite event mentioned above is the highest of all time, the highest spectator attendance for an individually hosted K-1 event is the World Grand Prix Final 1998, held on 13 December 1998 in Tokyo Dome with 63,800 spectators.[32]
* Ultimate Fighting Championship: UFC 83:Georges St. Pierre defeated Matt Serra with a second-round TKO before a raucous, sold-out crowd of 21,390 at the Bell Centre,Montreal Quebec Canada http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24222950/

[Kball15]

hey thats better then CBS sports forums! they have a Boxing MMA link and no one talks about boxing in there! its all MMA articles and topics....Boxing is pretty much getting trumped...

hmmm lets think long and hard about why that may be...

Is it because CBS has just picked up MMA and has a big MMA fight coming up on its schedule, and hasint aired boxing in years???

hmmm, yup. Yup, thats obviously it

[El Chicano]

So you're 33 and can't read? Bro its a boxing FORUM! Post this **** in MMA. Its like me posting straight **** in a gay **** section.

If I was 33 I wouldn't be on here.............

...............and I'm sure ur familiar with GAY **** SITES.

[Sin City]

Like Pankration? Submission wrestling?
London Prize Ring rules was a significantly different sport as well, sort of a mix between boxing and MMA (standing throws and dirty boxing legal).

Boxing is UFC's daddy.. and the UFC has tried to turn around and bite the hand that made it.
A lot of of things have been copied from boxing to be used in MMA including the 3 judge 10-9 scoring system.
UFC is the London Prize Ring rules with wrestling in it.. but It's not MMA.
UFC is designed to benefit certain fighters over others..
The only way you will truely have MMA and determining who is the best fighter is when you throw all rules away and let people fight until one knocks the other out.

Anyway, we didn't start this beef.. the wrestling now turned UFC fans who think because a fighter can learn a little bit of everything but have nothing down to perfection can whoop a fighter who has their stand up game down to perfection like a boxer.

[letsgobrady]

Actual Sherk has amazing boxing its just his hands are so damn short but his boxing is crisp but super short arms...hughes boxing sucks though lol

everybody in the ufc is garbage with their hands the only people imo that have a good stand up game is b.j penn and josh koschek

[Undefeated]

...............and I'm sure ur familiar with GAY **** SITES.

Lol.. Weak

Not but im sure the gay people would'nt be please. Its plain basic common sense.