Joe Calzaghe vs Kelly Pavlik

[daggum]

What do you think, that Kelly Pavlik is going to walk through the man who is undefeated in his career and the Ring Champ at BOTH the weight classes above him?

I'm not here for a bitching session, if you have an opinion you can explain, then post it.

being undefeated and ring champ sounds impressive then you watch calzaghe and you say this can't be the same guy.

[abadger]

being undefeated and ring champ sounds impressive then you watch calzaghe and you say this can't be the same guy.

Honestly, I do not understand that opinion. Have you seen the Kessler or Lacy fights? Calzaghe was awesome in both.

[WilmaFlintstone]

What do you think, that Kelly Pavlik is going to walk through the man who is undefeated in his career and the Ring Champ at BOTH the weight classes above him?

I'm not here for a bitching session, if you have an opinion you can explain, then post it.

I didn't know anyone was bitching. I thought we were commenting on the winner of a Pavlik vs. Calzaghe fight. That's considered bitching? I'm confused.

I posted my opinion on why I think Pavlik would win against Calzaghe. It's not my fault that we don't see eye-to-eye on it. And I'm not repeating myself. If you didn't see my post, go back a few pages until you find it.

Additionally, what does being undefeated have to do with anything? I'm confused again. So if someone is a title-holder and is undefeated at the time they hold the belts, they can't be beat?

[Sweet Pea 50]

Pavlik by brutal first round k.o. This would be the end result...

[abadger]

I didn't know anyone was bitching. I thought we were commenting on the winner of a Pavlik vs. Calzaghe fight. That's considered bitching? I'm confused.

I posted my opinion on why I think Pavlik would win against Calzaghe. It's not my fault that we don't see eye-to-eye on it. And I'm not repeating myself. If you didn't see my post, go back a few pages until you find it.

Additionally, what does being undefeated have to do with anything? I'm confused again. So if someone is a title-holder and is undefeated at the time they hold the belts, they can't be beat?

Being unbeaten doesn't mean you can't be beat, as any number of fighters will attest, but when a fighter has been unbeaten as a pro for fifteen years, ten of those as champion, its a pretty safe bet that he's VERY difficult to beat and the fighter who finally does it is going to need something that NOBODY else in all those years has ever had. A tough ask, by any standards, but by no means impossible.

As for your previous post, yes Kelly took Jermain Taylor's shots, but beating Calzaghe isn't a matter of taking his shots, Joe no longer punches hard and hasn't KOd anyone in a while. Its about points. It will be very hard for a fighter like Pavlik to outpoint Calzaghe, as he will find Joe very hard to hit, and even harder to knock Joe out, because he has a genuinely excellent chin. Kelly's best chance of winning is if he is able to hit Calzaghe hard enough to sap his energy and will, and then basically bully him around the ring. Again, this is a hugely difficult ask, because Joe is an experienced and strong SMW who has now gone up to LHW and showed he could live there. Kelly right now is a MW, so his power relative to Joe is basically an unknown, and as I have said, the key to the outcome of this fight.

[abadger]

Pavlik by brutal first round k.o. This would be the end result...

You're kidding right?

[Clegg]

...I'm going to with Pavlik on this match simply because he stood there and took Jermaine Taylor's punches twice and Taylor punches [B]hard[/B

So because Pavlik was only knocked down by Taylor (who has never won a title fight by KO), that means he could beat Calzaghe?

Wow.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Or maybe a Pavlik destruction of Zags along the lines of this...





As of right now? I don't see anything in Zags arsenal that could keep Pavlik from walking him down in the later rounds, and stopping him. BUT, I could also see Zags boxing a great fight and winning a pretty convincing UD.
It's not out of the realm of possibility for either of those things happening.
Right now? I see Pavlik by late round stoppage.

[Sweet Pea 50]

You're kidding right?

Nope, dead serious.

[WilmaFlintstone]

Being unbeaten doesn't mean you can't be beat, as any number of fighters will attest, but when a fighter has been unbeaten as a pro for fifteen years, ten of those as champion, its a pretty safe bet that he's VERY difficult to beat and the fighter who finally does it is going to need something that NOBODY else in all those years has ever had. A tough ask, by any standards, but by no means impossible.

As for your previous post, yes Kelly took Jermain Taylor's shots, but beating Calzaghe isn't a matter of taking his shots, Joe no longer punches hard and hasn't KOd anyone in a while. Its about points. It will be very hard for a fighter like Pavlik to outpoint Calzaghe, as he will find Joe very hard to hit, and even harder to knock Joe out, because he has a genuinely excellent chin. Kelly's best chance of winning is if he is able to hit Calzaghe hard enough to sap his energy and will, and then basically bully him around the ring. Again, this is a hugely difficult ask, because Joe is an experienced and strong SMW who has now gone up to LHW and showed he could live there. Kelly right now is a MW, so his power relative to Joe is basically an unknown, and as I have said, the key to the outcome of this fight.

FYI: Pavlik's undefeated, too. Not 15 years undefeated, but undefeated nonetheless.

And Calzaghe's first 6 or 7 years of being undefeated aren't impressive to me when I look at the records of the people he fought, but that's just my lil' ol' opinion.

It's hard to stay on your game when you're getting the crap knocked out of you. Flurries score points, but if the power punches are snapping your head back causing sweat and spit to fly and leaving your visibly stunned, then you might not score as many points with the flurries.

Tarver tried that throw-flurries-to-score-points stuff against Hopkins and got beat.

And at least twice I asked "when has Calzaghe's chin" been truly challenged and no reply. I can't find any fights that prove that Calzaghe's chin has been tested, so that whole "Calzaghe's got a chin" argument isn't going to work with me. Pavlik will pop him back....and I'm sticking with that until I see different.

Bottom line, this fight isn't even made, but if they make the fight and it ends up playing out the way you state, then I'll gladly admit I am wrong. Until then I have my opinion about the way it will go down...and you clearly have yours.