ok !! Shawn you argumentative bastard... IS FLOYD A COMPLETE FIGHTER EVERYONE?

[-Antonio-]

Hes too defensive, he potshots and he lacks heart.

You havent seen the Mitchell, Ndou, Judah fights then. Floyd can do everything in the ring.

[wmute]

Maybe because Cotto is the younger fighter.

He became a pro after Mayweather.

MAYBE thats why he hasn't done "ENOUGH"

MAYBE by this time in Cotto's career Mayweather was 2 division lineal champion (30,35) and 1 division beltholder (40), as opposed to Cotto's being a 2 division beltholder (40,47).

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floyd is good but not great

You watch boxing, but you dont understand what's going on in the ring.

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Mayweather is the most complete fighter I have seen in a while, I ahve to go back to Leonard and Duran to find someone who is as comfortable doing different things as Mayweather is. Clearly no one is perfect, no one is complete, but he is as close as it gets to be complete.

Also the argument that because he leads with the jab, the hook, the right hand, then he is less complete than if he always led with the jab is logically wrong.

[SkillspayBills]

I don't like to make generalizations but ANYONE who thinks Floyd Mayweather isn't the best if not one of the best at amalgamating defense, offense, fluidity, movement, speed, reflexes, punches, and smarts has some sort of hidden agenda against him.

[Sin City]

No he isn't he lacks a good offense.

He exposed some of his weaknesses in the De La Hoya fight and when he steps up in comp in the welterweight division you will see that he is not the perfect fighter everyone makes him out to be.

He has no answer for the jab.

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No he isn't he lacks a good offense.

He exposed some of his weaknesses in the De La Hoya fight and when he steps up in comp in the welterweight division you will see that he is not the perfect fighter everyone makes him out to be.

He has no answer for the jab.

This is a fun thread, lots of wishful thinking against the reality that is there to watch on youtube for everyone.

[Sin City]

This is a fun thread, lots of wishful thinking against the reality that is there to watch on youtube for everyone.

that's why he lost the rounds in which Oscar through many jabs.

And his offense is ****.. I haven't seen a good offense from floyd since maybe the Gatti fight.

[SkillspayBills]

This is a fun thread, lots of wishful thinking against the reality that is there to watch on youtube for everyone.

I think close to everyone is fooled thinking Floyd is HIGHLY susceptible to the jab. He might not be perfect against it but he will show on the 20th it isn't his "weakness". Kind of like the thought he wouldn't KO Hatton.

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that's why he lost the rounds in which Oscar through many jabs.

And his offense is ****.. I haven't seen a good offense from floyd since maybe the Gatti fight.

My take on those rounds (the few that Mayweather actually lost) is that by countering a jab, you can leave yourself open to Oscar's hooking off the jab. If it was me throwing the exact same jabs, I would have got murdered with right hands, because no one would worry bout my left hook. Oscar was never following up behind that jab for pretty much the same reason (worried of getting countered). A better example of trouble given by a jab would be the Castillo fight, but again that is the trouble that comes with fighting a skilled, disciplined, experienced fighter with good timing (but Castillo right was causing the exact same problems as the jab, so I would not say it's the jab).

To watch more recent good offense from Mayweather just watch the Judah or Hatton fight. In particular against Judah, where being the aggressor was clearly his best option, as potshotting was hard, due to Judah's speed.