ok !! Shawn you argumentative bastard... IS FLOYD A COMPLETE FIGHTER EVERYONE?

[THE REED]

Evidence? The burden off proof lies upon you.

U think if floyd didnt want to go in there and jab someones face off he couldnt? he doesnt have to... where some fighters need that jab to create openings... Floyd doesnt need it... he can see the openings and hit u with anything he wants...

he chooses not to do so.

[GodOfWar]

Complete is the ability to do EVERYTHING. That is not Floyd, he does what he does very very very very well, but he is not able to do everything.

Is Joe Calzaghe a complete fighter in your opinion Shawn?

[!! Shawn]

The idea that Floyd Mayweather cannot work off a jab is like Lance Armstrong not being able to ride a bike with training wheels. He doesn't need to jab. It's optional. His lead left hook and lead straight right are his jab, only they do far more damage. He does jab quite a bit BTW - to the body.

I already discussed this at length with Ree****y. Floyd has a great jab to the body, but honestly ask yourself this quesiton:

Have I ever seen Floyd get on his toes, move side to side, and control the center of the ring with his jab?

[My Name Is...]

Unfortunately, that was not the question.

The answer to the question is no. Floyd is not a complete fighter, he is a very very good counter-puncher.

When is the last time you saw Floyd get on his toes and work behind a jab? Never? Exactly.

Complete is the ability to do EVERYTHING. That is not Floyd, he does what he does very very very very well, but he is not able to do everything.

Floyd has done that, what are you talking about. If you knew boxing, its not just about a power jab.
1- A speed jab- quick with little power
2- an offbeat jab-disrupts timing
3-Power jab- Long hard jab to hurt your opponent
4- Feint Jab- Feint to open up opponent, the land jab
5- Set up jab- A jab that is meant to distract the opponent in order to land something behind it

I can keep going and going, but if you dont understand where I am going with this then you'll never get it.

[THe TRiNiTY]

I don't think you'll find ANY complete fighter, EVER. Robinson, my favorite fighter, you couldn't call COMPLETE, he was just closer than anyone else has gotten.

Floyd, has had hand problems and has yet to tap into his 'can he come back during a losING effort' talents, so it's too early to say. He's the closest in the game, though. So, for that I'd vote yes, simply to counter-balance the hatred that he'll most likely get in this thread.

[OptimusWolf]

I voted no but I wanted to qualify it a little.

I don't think Floyd is complete, because I saw castillo outwork him in their first fight and I saw Oscar (who I had losing comfortably at the end 116-112 BTW) get into a position going down the stretch where he should have won using his jab effectively.

However if you were to ask who is the most complete, I can't think of anyone closer to the paradigm than floyd.

He's certainly an all-time top 50 fighter, and should he fight and beat cotto he'll go much higher in my estimation

[!! Shawn]

Floyd has done that, what are you talking about. If you knew boxing, its not just about a power jab.
1- A speed jab- quick with little power
2- an offbeat jab-disrupts timing
3-Power jab- Long hard jab to hurt your opponent
4- Feint Jab- Feint to open up opponent, the land jab
5- Set up jab- A jab that is meant to distract the opponent in order to land something behind it

I can keep going and going, but if you dont understand where I am going with this then you'll never get it.

If Floyd has done that why can't you list a specific example?

[THE REED]

I voted no but I wanted to qualify it a little.

I don't think Floyd is complete, because I saw castillo outwork him in their first fight and I saw Oscar (who I had losing comfortably at the end 116-112 BTW) get into a position going down the stretch where he should have won using his jab effectively.

However if you were to ask who is the most complete, I can't think of anyone closer to the paradigm than floyd.

He's certainly an all-time top 50 fighter, and should he fight and beat cotto he'll go much higher in my estimation

LOL my question is... COTTO isnt a top 50 fighter.. so how does beating him... rank you higher?

ive NEVER... understood that.

[THe TRiNiTY]

LOL my question is... COTTO isnt a top 50 fighter.. so how does beating him... rank you higher?

ive NEVER... understood that.

Because it proves that he took on all comers. Like virtually all OTHER top 50 fighters. You can either choose to be the guy who was amazing, but never proved it. Or the guy that is TRULY amazing, but future fans will tell him, as opposed to the other way around.

And for the record.....

How would Cotto ever make it INTO the top 50, if he doesn't fight in the hardest fights? Like, Mayweather, for example?

[THE REED]

Because it proves that he took on all comers. Like virtually all OTHER top 50 fighters. You can either choose to be the guy who was amazing, but never proved it. Or the guy that is TRULY amazing, but future fans will tell him, as opposed to the other way around.

And for the record.....

How would Cotto ever make it INTO the top 50, if he doesn't fight in the hardest fights? Like, Mayweather, for example?

i just dont think cottos done enough in his career as a whole what mayweather has, yet people like to group them together like their equals... career wise...