Is Popkins overrated?

[warp1432]

John Mugabi? That guy had like a million losses on his record. Sure he had 22 KO's and 22 wins, but that bum couldn't even knock out weak chin terry norris.

[tyson]

The Marvelous one didn't pick on welterweights.
He went against guys like John Mugabi, I wonder if Popkins would ever have the balls to fight someone like Mugabi, I'm sure he'd make an excuse or do anything to avoid a real threat like him, you know his famous "Lets split the pot 90% to 10%" excuse.
Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, and Duran where the Fantastic Four, they're miles away from Popkins.

That's what I mean by double standard...
If Marvelous didn't pick on welters, then what the **** was Leonard, Duran and Hearns?

You make an assumption that Hopkins wouldn't fight a guy like Mugabi. But that's not a fact you can base Hopkins' legacy on, is it?

[Lucky13]

That's what I mean by double standard...
If Marvelous didn't pick on welters, then what the **** was Leonard, Duran and Hearns?

You make an assumption that Hopkins wouldn't fight a guy like Mugabi. But that's not a fact you can base Hopkins' legacy on, is it?

Fact of the matter is, these guys never ducked anybody.
They never made excuses that only Popkins would come up with, like using greed to duck a fighter, Popkins doesn't even know how to split a pot properly let alone be in the Hall of Fame.

[warp1432]

These guys never ducked anyone? I guess that's why Duran was so manly he never gave Ken Buchanan a rematch.

I guess that's why Lenoard invited Hagler to a huge public event and said he wouldn't be fighting him. I guess that's why when Lenoard was first asked about Hearns he kept brushing it aside until he couldn't deal with it anymore.

[tyson]

Fact of the matter is, these guys never ducked anybody.
They never made excuses that only Popkins would come up with, like using greed to duck a fighter, Popkins doesn't even know how to split a pot properly let alone be in the Hall of Fame.

I assume, again, that you have Roy Jones in mind with this statement?

Well, it takes two to tango.
And I can accept that Hopkins pick his paydays at or around the age of 40.
Fact of the matter is that Hopkins faced solid opposition as well as some bums, as all champions do from time to time.
But Hopkins is a real throwback-fighter that bullied most of his opponents in devastating fashion, and even more so if the fights would have been 15 rounders like in the Hagler-days.

What fighter do you assume Hopkins ducked?
Roy? He already fought him.

[tyson]

These guys never ducked anyone? I guess that's why Duran was so manly he never gave Ken Buchanan a rematch.

I guess that's why Lenoard invited Hagler to a huge public event and said he wouldn't be fighting him. I guess that's why when Lenoard was first asked about Hearns he kept brushing it aside until he couldn't deal with it anymore.

Leonard ducked Pryor. I guess the narrow view of Lucky13 is clouding his statements...

[warp1432]

Well there was Toney, but Toney wanted him to fight at freaking Crusierweight and so of course Hopkins wanted more money. That and the fact it was at crusier.

[tyson]

Well, I won't call that ducking.
That would be the same as saying Pacman is ducking DLH.

Toney at cruiser would smash Hopkins IMO. And being smart is not the same as ducking. If Toney were a middle or super middle, Hopkins would fight him.

[Lucky13]

You accumulate all the ducking and weak opposition and you end up with an overrated Popkins.
Let me ask you this?
If Joe wins, which he will, and retires undefeated, who would you have higher up in the all time ranks?

[Boxing's Future]

Keith Holmes was a two-time middleweight champion.
Robert Allen was the interim middleweight champion.
Simon Brown was a former light middleweight champion who KO'd Terry Norris.
John Jackson was a former middleweight champion.
Carl Daniels was a former light middleweight champion.
William Joppy was a two-time middleweight champion.
Antwun Echols and Howard Eastman were worthy opponents because of their punching power. Echols was 22-2 (22 KO's), Eastman was 40-1 (34 KO's).

Not that those fighters were great but they were solid opposition.

Add in wins over Glen Johnson, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright, 'Tito' Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya, and the fact that he was the middleweight champion for over 10 years and that he went 10 years undefeated.

He has also never been schooled in a loss, fights against Taylor were close and winnable and Hopkins was the only man who gave Roy Jones somewhat of a fight at that point of time (both fighters weren't at their best).

Thank you for this because everyone thinks Calzaghe is just the best and he's fought NO big names except 1 or 2.Hopkins is the truth and soon all u B-Hop haterz will see.