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  • Parody
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    #71
    Originally posted by Kball15
    i dont agree with much that u said here.

    I think there is PLENTY of doubt that Morales could have beaten a prime Marquez. It would have come in virtually dead even in the betting odds, and id probably put my money on Marquez. Fantastic fight though.

    2nd of all, the 2-1 in favor of Barrera in the Morales trilogy was 100% correct. Barrera clearly won the first fight and got jobbed, Morales clearly won the 2nd and got jobbed, and the third was barreras again.

    third of all, almost all the ring side reporters and writers thought that, despite going down 3 times in round 1, Marquez deserved the decision. I completely agree with them, there is no way Marquez lost more then 4 rounds in that fight, and i expect the same in March.

    And Lastly, i think you got that last sentence backwards. MORALES, BARRERA, and Marquez are ALLL better fighters then Pacquiao Prime for Prime.




    There is nothing that happened in that fight that told me if they were both younger, the fight would have been any different. Marquez was pretty clearly the winner
    Yes Marquez was the clear winner but it was still a very competitive fight. An Barrera was'nt the same Barrera he was a few years back even you know that very well.

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    • Kball15
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      #72
      Originally posted by Parody
      lol im pretty sure Morales would have dominated Chris John, and did'nt an Out of prime Morales beat Pacquiao while a Prime Marquez was lucky to get a draw with him?

      He was UNLUCKY to get a draw with Pacquiao, because he WON the fight. He looked much better in that fight then Morales did obviously. He was outclassing Pacquiao at times, Morales never did that

      And wouldnt Marquez have Dominated David Diaz? Its the same situation. both past their primes, however Chris John is clearly a better fighter then freakin David Diaz. lol


      And you could'nt be more wrong, all the ringside scorers, press row scoring, HBO, EVERYONE had Pacquiao winning the fight, The judges really screwed him that night. I watch that fight 1000 times and everytime Pacquiao wins, yes Marquez fought bravely and made it close but it was a clear cut decision for Pacquiao who expressed his disappointment for not getting the decision at the end of the fight.

      THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL. you are just making that up. I can tell you AS A FACT, that nearly every ringside reporter had Marquez winning. Where did i hear this from? DAN RAFAEL himself who happened to be ringside and talked with everyone there. They all thought it was Marquez. Only the idiot Lederman and one judge had Pacquiao winning that fight, with is REDICULOUS.

      If you mean better fighters as in better skills I agree with you all of them are better skilled, but the better skilled does'nt win everytime, Prime for Prime they are better fighters/better talent but Prime for Prime Pacquiao beats them every time. Watch him beat Marquez now and then I'll do the told ya so.

      i agree witht he first part but i definetly think Marquez wins this rematch. Ive already bet all my points on it. Im almost completely sure of it.
      BOLD is me

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      • Parody
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        #73
        Originally posted by Kball15
        BOLD is me
        Check this article.



        Seriously, I dont know how even if you are the biggest JMM fan in the world had him winning that fight, Marquez was very lucky to get away with a draw.

        I would like you to post how many rounds you scored for Marquez.
        Last edited by Parody; 01-07-2008, 06:47 PM.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Parody
          Lol...Morales is my favourite fighter man and I think he could have given Naz a tough fight/beaten him, I ****ing hate Prince Naseem he is an arrogant ****, but even you know no one brawls with Nas, If Morales brawled with him it would have been his downfall. Tactical boxers would have always beaten Prince Naseem, but I could see one "Brawling" and beating him.
          Morales would've beaten Naseem the same way Barrera did, by schooling him... Naseem was overrated, he barely got by KEVIN KELLEY, give me a break, the guy was an overhyped bum.


          Marquez was robbed against Chris John, i have the fight, lets not forget the point deductions, everyone that seen that fight knows Marquez won that fight, even the ******ed pinoys...

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            #75
            Originally posted by xcaret
            Morales would've beaten Naseem the same way Barrera did, by schooling him... Naseem was overrated, he barely got by KEVIN KELLEY, give me a break, the guy was an overhyped bum.


            Marquez was robbed against Chris John, i have the fight, lets not forget the point deductions, everyone that seen that fight knows Marquez won that fight, even the ******ed pinoys...
            Thats what I pretty much said, he could have schooled him but if Nas lured him into a brawl and if he brawled with him instead of using tactics it would have been his downfall. All Morales needs to do is box and beat him, which I think he could have easily done, just not get into a brawl.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Parody
              Check this article.



              Seriously, I dont know how even if you are the biggest JMM fan in the world had him winning that fight, Marquez was very lucky to get away with a draw.

              I would like you to post how many rounds you scored for Marquez.
              i think i had it 8 rounds to 4 for Marquez, so he wins 113-112. It was only close because of round 1. If he hadnt been caught cold then he wins easily.

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                #77
                I can't believe some people are actually questioning Morales' legendary status and merit. At the end of the day your superiority as a fighter is measured by what you accomplish in the ring, and Morales successfully carried a schedule that was unequaled by the most accomplished fighters today including Barrera and Marquez. He was so legendary to Mexican boxing fans in fact that no other fighter in recent history has attracted as much attention to lower weights as him. It was really him that refocused the light on the lower weights.

                Marquez non the less is a very good fighter... but he has lost a step. He used to be much quicker in his counter punching and that is of course because of his age. That lost quickness will not help him in the rematch with an improved pacquiao imo.

                Also with Marquez vs Barrera..... Its hard to say who was the better fighter, In fact i doubt that if Barrera vs Marquez had happened when they were both younger it would have been as great a fight as it was since Marquez was a much more reserved fighter before he got robbed in that fight against Cris John. And Barrera has always been somewhat cautious.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Parody
                  Thats what I pretty much said, he could have schooled him but if Nas lured him into a brawl and if he brawled with him instead of using tactics it would have been his downfall. All Morales needs to do is box and beat him, which I think he could have easily done, just not get into a brawl.
                  mmmm. why?????

                  i know morales wouldve schoooled naz, but you really think hes gonna go and box him???**** no, morales would've brawled after wearing naz down and ko'd him.....naz barely could take a kelly right hand.....and kevin kelley has a weak chin, morales has an iron chin and most importantly, tremendous pride and will, theres no way a prime morales would get KO'ed.......one chopping right and naz wouldnt get up...

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by .::|ULTIMATE|::.
                    I can't believe some people are actually questioning Morales' legendary status and merit. At the end of the day your superiority as a fighter is measured by what you accomplish in the ring, and Morales successfully carried a schedule that was unequaled by the most accomplished fighters today including Barrera and Marquez. He was so legendary to Mexican boxing fans in fact that no other fighter in recent history has attracted as much attention to lower weights as him. It was really him that refocused the light on the lower weights.

                    Marquez non the less is a very good fighter... but he has lost a step. He used to be much quicker in his counter punching and that is of course because of his age. That lost quickness will not help him in the rematch with an improved pacquiao imo.

                    Also with Marquez vs Barrera..... Its hard to say who was the better fighter, In fact i doubt that if Barrera vs Marquez had happened when they were both younger it would have been as great a fight as it was since Marquez was a much more reserved fighter before he got robbed in that fight against Cris John. And Barrera has always been somewhat cautious.
                    agreed.....


                    ALSO, Morales is the ONLY mexican fighter who mexicans actually went to see to Vegas....

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                    • Parody
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by -Hyperion-
                      mmmm. why?????

                      i know morales wouldve schoooled naz, but you really think hes gonna go and box him???**** no, morales would've brawled after wearing naz down and ko'd him.....naz barely could take a kelly right hand.....and kevin kelley has a weak chin, morales has an iron chin and most importantly, tremendous pride and will, theres no way a prime morales would get KO'ed.......one chopping right and naz wouldnt get up...
                      I dont even like Nas and Morales is my favourite fighter. I would pick him to beat Nas every day of the week, but if he brawled with him im sorry it would be his downfall. If he used tactics and outboxed him = easy work.

                      Morales is a warrior but why need to brawl with a guy like Naseem when you can outbox him? Its called boxing not knockouts like Winky said...and as a fan of Morales I would'nt want him to brawl with a puncher like naseem, Yes nas has been down but he has never been hurt, most of those knockdowns were flash knockdowns and he got up immediately to knockout his opponent in the next round or two after he got knocked down.

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