Antonio Margarito has become the most overrated fighter in boxing

[Haterfree]

You have a point there but it's much easier to defend Floyd, the arguably p4p king, than Margarito (or any other fighter) right now.

You are right it is very EASY to defends Floyds resume against Margaritos. Floyd wins everytime.

[Mr. Ryan]

Most all fighters may think that but there boxing ego wouldn't allow them to think negative its what give them the edge. Unless hearing you're a lose motivates a certain fighter.

I personally have studdied Margarito and from the post i read about how people are dissing Margarito and it becomes clear they dont' know what they are talking about.

When fighters don't want to fight you, you make up a gimmick, "nobody is accepting a fight with Margarito what do we do bob, how do we get his name out to the boxing public if nobody wants to fight him, no even the top contenders" ........."i got it he most be the "most feared welterweight" ........see where im getting at.

And it was true at one time that nobody was willing to fight Margarito.

You even hate on the guy, yet you give Williams props for beating Margarito but you don't say it as clearly as this.

I became a Margarito fan really off all the hate for the guy, then i seen that he was really a good fighter.

But you and some of the other Margarito non supporters get out of line too much when talking about margarito.

I'm not a Margarito hater, I really think he's pretty good. Where Margarito is at is somewhere in the middle between where some of his detractors think he is, which is a bum, and his lovers, which is a deity.

I understand that Margarito has a very successful promoter behind him that didn't become successful because he wasn't good at marketing and promoting fighters. Arum had Butterbean, for Pete's sake. But it's when things get out of hand and people make these absurd remarks about fighters ducking him, like PBF, and then they don't examine the common sense in Mayweather's decisions to not fight him.

Honestly, if Floyd fought Margarito and beat him, would you like PBF or hate him even more?

I say that you should never hate a fighter more than you admire his merit. I don't hate any fighters (The ones I dislike are for reasons outside of boxing), but when people say something about a fighter that I know aren't true, it compels me to be like WTF?

Margarito is a good fighter, one of he beter ones at 147. But the theme of this thread is that Margarito went from being one of the most underrated fighters in boxing, then swung around the pendulum to become the most overrated fighter in boxing.

Don't worry, from what I've been hearing lately Joshua Clottey is Margarito's number one contender to that crown.

[eazy_mas]

Actually it's the other way around. He gave Williams his chance and blew it in the process costing him the Cotto fight. I give him credit for taking the more difficult fight and defending his belt. His team and Arum knew Williams was a bad style matchup for Margarito but it was the right thing to do and the upside was big as well with belt unification with Cotto etc.

Still Mayweather should have given Margarito his shot even though the odds would have been against Tony because that would have been the honorable thing to do.

will he needed Williams to prove the boxing expert that he is the man but didnt make it.

Give him after he lost to Williams and winning Golding something something. This is boxing if and Margarito doesnt deserve to fight the best because he didnt reach to become one. He accepted to fight Williams with all his advantage and disadvantages. You dont expect Williams to go easy on him as same said for Margrito because it is a critical fight for both fighters.

[MaYaN_SuN]

Who are you?!?

How can you say that Manuel Gomez and Golden Johnson aren't anyone?

He's a little ass Flip that writes ****, thats it lol. I mean any black, even Philipino that loses to any latin fighter, who do they try to mount a comeback against? Some bum ass from Mexico, you see it over and over. I mean atleast Margarito after gettin decisioned over against Williams took on a fighter from THIS country with a WINNING record. It wasn't some guy that fought a bunch of no names from another country where they don't pay attention to who is fighting who. (But of course, for OBVIOUS reasons, ya'll mad at Margarito for smashin through Johnson in one round lol.)

Now that Marg has faught anyone and everyone they put infront of him and has yet to be KOe'd or even manhandled (he's even calling out, and his mouth is wattering for a chance at the bull himself, Miguel Cotto. lol Talk about "willing." Somthin you're favorite fighters couldn't attribute themselves with, even if they had all the "Money" in the world. So shut your mouhts lol, and respect man, strength, and courage, when you see it.)

You wanna get mad when he fights a Johnson after a loss, when more then 80% of fighters try to mount a comeback against some sacrifical lamb? lol Giiiit the **** outta here, and soon. Deal with it, Margarito puts his work in against everyone. He's not fast, or flashy, he does what he can with what he has...lol He'll take your favorite fighters punch, laugh in his head probably at how you're not hurting him, and muscle it out (lol Somthin no corny ass internet poster could ever do.).
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Now this is for thread starters who make these same exact Margarito threads over and over..

Aside from the obvious delusional posters (AHEM...viva mexico, lol doubt he's even Mexican.) No one really stated or made a significant post on how or why Margarito would beat Floyd, not a single post that would warrant this kind of thread and arguement over and over. lol Just admit it, Ya'll just mad at Tony for havin his name out there, when he doesn't need those flashy skills to smash his way to the top.

You phoney ass internet personalities just need to kick back, fess up, and admit....Margarito ATLEAST, should have got a chance at the number 1 spot. And after reading this, if your first instinct is to blow even more smoke up Hatton's ass on how he was worthy, think about Hatton's health first. lol You gas him up, and into the wrong fight one more time, he might very well get smashed and embarrassed again. Take note to the mans health and feelings...lol you animals.

Margarito's been put in there with the best, and he's either knocked em out, or gave em a fight. In that Williams fight, Paul..the winner of the fight, ironically, was the only fighter that looked like he wanted to lay down on the canvas during the whole fight. He landed countless amounts of weak attempts at power punches yeah, lol but he was the only fighter that looked like tipping over. I won't even begin to mention the look on Paul's face and what he said in the post fight interview.


Now is Margarito tough? lol Obviously...

Is he strong? lol Do you really have to ask?

Did he deserve a shot at Mayweather?.....This is a rhetorical question.


Now styles make fights, you take this big tough guy, pit him against the likes of Cotto/Mayweather and you got some real fights, weather you want to admit it or not lol, thats facts.. I mean sit back and use your heads, if Oscar can man handle Floyd, and if Hatton can keep Floyd off balance. What do you REALLY think a fight with Floyd will look like if he were to step in the ring with Tony? Floyd winning? Highly possible, would Floyd dominate with strength? lol Highly unlikely. Whether Tony would beat Mayweather is irrelevant, it always has been. The only point of all this, was who "actually" deserved a shot.




Ducking and Cherry picking

is bad for the sport.

[pelonxsoldier28]

Antonio Diaz's biggest win came against Cory Spinks...GATTIS biggest win/loss was Mickey Ward (HYPOCRITE)

nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention... But he WAS the #1 ranked welter by RING and the longest ranked welter and has more WINS over ranked welters then any current welter and one time and FLOYD was offered his career payday TWICE to fight him ..

once before the Mitchell and once before and after the Judah fight.
Floyd excuses were , he had 4 losses..Baldo had 9 Gatti had 5..

excuses were Marg only fought BUMS.. yet Floyd fought Brussesl, Ndou, Sosa (who Spaddy beat) and Mitchell..

"If it dont make $$$$ then it dont make sense"..

sounds like a duck walks lke a duck its a duck..

No one said that Marg was great just that he earned his shot and "mONEY" decided to fight other people for LESS money. The Mitchell fight and the Judah fight.

damn, talk about a ******* blast, good post

[C'MONMANG']

I'm not a Margarito hater, I really think he's pretty good. Where Margarito is at is somewhere in the middle between where some of his detractors think he is, which is a bum, and his lovers, which is a deity.

I understand that Margarito has a very successful promoter behind him that didn't become successful because he wasn't good at marketing and promoting fighters. Arum had Butterbean, for Pete's sake. But it's when things get out of hand and people make these absurd remarks about fighters ducking him, like PBF, and then they don't examine the common sense in Mayweather's decisions to not fight him.

Honestly, if Floyd fought Margarito and beat him, would you like PBF or hate him even more?

I say that you should never hate a fighter more than you admire his merit. I don't hate any fighters (The ones I dislike are for reasons outside of boxing), but when people say something about a fighter that I know aren't true, it compels me to be like WTF?

Margarito is a good fighter, one of he beter ones at 147. But the theme of this thread is that Margarito went from being one of the most underrated fighters in boxing, then swung around the pendulum to become the most overrated fighter in boxing.

Don't worry, from what I've been hearing lately Joshua Clottey is Margarito's number one contender to that crown.

he wouldnt have to BEAT him , same as Cotto.long as he fights the #1 guy in his division for ONCE in a long time instead of making excuses...which he did for MARGO AND NOW FOR COTTO...

[Del Coqui]

There is a small contingent of Margarito fans that believe he is this assasin that is feared by everyone in boxing. And indeed, Margarito does deserve some consideration as a tough contender in the welterweight division. He was for awhile the most underappreciated, if not underrated fighter in boxing's glamour divisions. But it's gotten out of control, he's been blown way out of proportion.

Cliff Rold, a writer for this site that I hold in the highest esteems, once said that Margarito was "the most underappreciated, underrated, avoided welterweight of his generation."

I tend to lean more towards Sergio Martinez's assessment, which is quoted as follows:

"His boxing skills are very limited and his defense is practically non-existent. He throws very wide looping shots, leaving himself open for counters, and has poor balance. He also telegraphs the majority of his shots and has nothing in the way of lateral or upper body movement. Plain and simple, he is what he is, which is a come-forward mauler who relies heavily on his conditioning and heavy hands to wear his opponents down and outwork them over the course of a fight. He does not have much of a variety in his punch arsenal so is usually predictable."

My gripe is, what are the grounds on which Margarito is qualified as an assasin? Was it his KO of Kermit Cintron, who came within a punch or two of falling to David Estrada in 2005? Or his domination of Antonio Diaz, whose biggest win came against Micky Ward?

We can speak hypothetically for hours about what Margarito would do "if" he got a fight with one of the elite's of boxing. Posters here talk about people being afraid of Margarito. But what if Cotto did fight Margarito, and wound up keeled over like Carlos Quintana? Or what if he got a fight with De La Hoya and caught the Ricardo Mayorga treatment. How about if Floyd Mayweather bounced the hittable Margarito off the canvas a half dozen times like he did Diego Corrales?

If those things happened, what excuses would come out? People need to look at Margarito for what he is, which is a tough laborer who is in a position to fight some big names. But to think that people are afraid of this 5-defeat wearing guy, none of which came against elite fighters, premature hype.

At the end of the day, it's very difficult to root for Margarito when people try to make a big deal out of a fighter who in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished anything yet. I esteem Margarito for what he is, which is a good fighter trying to do something great. But he hasn't done anything great as of this post.

Yes and no, Margarito's boxing skills and deffense have improved since he fought Santos. Late on in fights he starts getting a bit sloppy, but keeps throwing hard shots. He gave away the Williams fight trying to box in the beginning and giving away the last round, that would've made it even in my card. The right way for him to get back in track is to go after Williams and beat him, that should be prove enough that he's a great champion.

[AlphaQup]

Finally a post that makes sense in this extended thread. Here's some more facts that detractors will probably just overlook without acknowledging.

1. Margarito was the longest reigning welterweight champ in the division and was ranked by Ring magazine for almost 7 years in its Top Ten Rankings
2. Has faced more Top Ten ranked fighters at 147 then any other active welterweight
3. Was considered the most underrated and avoided fighter in the division long before Floyd or Cotto ever stepped foot into 147
4. Was ducked by Spinks, Judah, Baldomir and Mayweather so he really had no chance of unifying the belts and becoming the man
5. Ranked #1 by Ring mag when he tried to face Judah, Baldomir and then Mayweather

Margarito may not possess ATG skills or talent but to say he is a bum or doesn't deserve a chance at facing more popular boxers is the essence of idiocy.

plain and basic common sense facts. margarito was avoided way before mayweather was even born. that is why he is the most feared man on the planet. that is why bob arum had to offer career high paydays to mayweather and winky in order to fight this man and they still turned him down.

[Dorian]

Margarito who?????

[nozorok]

He's a little ass Flip that writes ****, thats it lol. I mean any black, even Philipino that loses to any latin fighter, who do they try to mount a comeback against? Some bum ass from Mexico, you see it over and over. I mean atleast Margarito after gettin decisioned over against Williams took on a fighter from THIS country with a WINNING record. It wasn't some guy that fought a bunch of no names from another country where they don't pay attention to who is fighting who. (But of course, for OBVIOUS reasons, ya'll mad at Margarito for smashin through Johnson in one round lol.)

Now that Marg has faught anyone and everyone they put infront of him and has yet to be KOe'd or even manhandled (he's even calling out, and his mouth is wattering for a chance at the bull himself, Miguel Cotto. lol Talk about "willing." Somthin you're favorite fighters couldn't attribute themselves with, even if they had all the "Money" in the world. So shut your mouhts lol, and respect man, strength, and courage, when you see it.)

You wanna get mad when he fights a Johnson after a loss, when more then 80% of fighters try to mount a comeback against some sacrifical lamb? lol Giiiit the **** outta here, and soon. Deal with it, Margarito puts his work in against everyone. He's not fast, or flashy, he does what he can with what he has...lol He'll take your favorite fighters punch, laugh in his head probably at how you're not hurting him, and muscle it out (lol Somthin no corny ass internet poster could ever do.).
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Now this is for thread starters who make these same exact Margarito threads over and over..

Aside from the obvious delusional posters (AHEM...viva mexico, lol doubt he's even Mexican.) No one really stated or made a significant post on how or why Margarito would beat Floyd, not a single post that would warrant this kind of thread and arguement over and over. lol Just admit it, Ya'll just mad at Tony for havin his name out there, when he doesn't need those flashy skills to smash his way to the top.

You phoney ass internet personalities just need to kick back, fess up, and admit....Margarito ATLEAST, should have got a chance at the number 1 spot. And after reading this, if your first instinct is to blow even more smoke up Hatton's ass on how he was worthy, think about Hatton's health first. lol You gas him up, and into the wrong fight one more time, he might very well get smashed and embarrassed again. Take note to the mans health and feelings...lol you animals.

Margarito's been put in there with the best, and he's either knocked em out, or gave em a fight. In that Williams fight, Paul..the winner of the fight, ironically, was the only fighter that looked like he wanted to lay down on the canvas during the whole fight. He landed countless amounts of weak attempts at power punches yeah, lol but he was the only fighter that looked like tipping over. I won't even begin to mention the look on Paul's face and what he said in the post fight interview.


Now is Margarito tough? lol Obviously...

Is he strong? lol Do you really have to ask?

Did he deserve a shot at Mayweather?.....This is a rhetorical question.


Now styles make fights, you take this big tough guy, pit him against the likes of Cotto/Mayweather and you got some real fights, weather you want to admit it or not lol, thats facts.. I mean sit back and use your heads, if Oscar can man handle Floyd, and if Hatton can keep Floyd off balance. What do you REALLY think a fight with Floyd will look like if he were to step in the ring with Tony? Floyd winning? Highly possible, would Floyd dominate with strength? lol Highly unlikely. Whether Tony would beat Mayweather is irrelevant, it always has been. The only point of all this, was who "actually" deserved a shot.




Ducking and Cherry picking

is bad for the sport.

Great post dude.