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  • Mr. Ryan
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    Antonio Margarito has become the most overrated fighter in boxing

    There is a small contingent of Margarito fans that believe he is this assasin that is feared by everyone in boxing. And indeed, Margarito does deserve some consideration as a tough contender in the welterweight division. He was for awhile the most underappreciated, if not underrated fighter in boxing's glamour divisions. But it's gotten out of control, he's been blown way out of proportion.

    Cliff Rold, a writer for this site that I hold in the highest esteems, once said that Margarito was "the most underappreciated, underrated, avoided welterweight of his generation."

    I tend to lean more towards Sergio Martinez's assessment, which is quoted as follows:

    "His boxing skills are very limited and his defense is practically non-existent. He throws very wide looping shots, leaving himself open for counters, and has poor balance. He also telegraphs the majority of his shots and has nothing in the way of lateral or upper body movement. Plain and simple, he is what he is, which is a come-forward mauler who relies heavily on his conditioning and heavy hands to wear his opponents down and outwork them over the course of a fight. He does not have much of a variety in his punch arsenal so is usually predictable."

    My gripe is, what are the grounds on which Margarito is qualified as an assasin? Was it his KO of Kermit Cintron, who came within a punch or two of falling to David Estrada in 2005? Or his domination of Antonio Diaz, whose biggest win came against Micky Ward?

    We can speak hypothetically for hours about what Margarito would do "if" he got a fight with one of the elite's of boxing. Posters here talk about people being afraid of Margarito. But what if Cotto did fight Margarito, and wound up keeled over like Carlos Quintana? Or what if he got a fight with De La Hoya and caught the Ricardo Mayorga treatment. How about if Floyd Mayweather bounced the hittable Margarito off the canvas a half dozen times like he did Diego Corrales?

    If those things happened, what excuses would come out? People need to look at Margarito for what he is, which is a tough laborer who is in a position to fight some big names. But to think that people are afraid of this 5-defeat wearing guy, none of which came against elite fighters, premature hype.

    At the end of the day, it's very difficult to root for Margarito when people try to make a big deal out of a fighter who in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished anything yet. I esteem Margarito for what he is, which is a good fighter trying to do something great. But he hasn't done anything great as of this post.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Asian Sensation
    There is a small contingent of Margarito fans that believe he is this assasin that is feared by everyone in boxing. And indeed, Margarito does deserve some consideration as a tough contender in the welterweight division. He was for awhile the most underappreciated, if not underrated fighter in boxing's glamour divisions. But it's gotten out of control, he's been blown way out of proportion.

    Cliff Rold, a writer for this site that I hold in the highest esteems, once said that Margarito was "the most underappreciated, underrated, avoided welterweight of his generation."

    I tend to lean more towards Sergio Martinez's assessment, which is quoted as follows:

    "His boxing skills are very limited and his defense is practically non-existent. He throws very wide looping shots, leaving himself open for counters, and has poor balance. He also telegraphs the majority of his shots and has nothing in the way of lateral or upper body movement. Plain and simple, he is what he is, which is a come-forward mauler who relies heavily on his conditioning and heavy hands to wear his opponents down and outwork them over the course of a fight. He does not have much of a variety in his punch arsenal so is usually predictable."

    My gripe is, what are the grounds on which Margarito is qualified as an assasin? Was it his KO of Kermit Cintron, who came within a punch or two of falling to David Estrada in 2005? Or his domination of Antonio Diaz, whose biggest win came against Micky Ward?
    We can speak hypothetically for hours about what Margarito would do "if" he got a fight with one of the elite's of boxing. Posters here talk about people being afraid of Margarito. But what if Cotto did fight Margarito, and wound up keeled over like Carlos Quintana? Or what if he got a fight with De La Hoya and caught the Ricardo Mayorga treatment. How about if Floyd Mayweather bounced the hittable Margarito off the canvas a half dozen times like he did Diego Corrales?

    If those things happened, what excuses would come out? People need to look at Margarito for what he is, which is a tough laborer who is in a position to fight some big names. But to think that people are afraid of this 5-defeat wearing guy, none of which came against elite fighters, premature hype.

    At the end of the day, it's very difficult to root for Margarito when people try to make a big deal out of a fighter who in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished anything yet. I esteem Margarito for what he is, which is a good fighter trying to do something great. But he hasn't done anything great as of this post.
    Antonio Diaz's biggest win came against Cory Spinks...GATTIS biggest win/loss was Mickey Ward (HYPOCRITE)

    nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention... But he WAS the #1 ranked welter by RING and the longest ranked welter and has more WINS over ranked welters then any current welter and one time and FLOYD was offered his career payday TWICE to fight him ..

    once before the Mitchell and once before and after the Judah fight.
    Floyd excuses were , he had 4 losses..Baldo had 9 Gatti had 5..

    excuses were Marg only fought BUMS.. yet Floyd fought Brussesl, Ndou, Sosa (who Spaddy beat) and Mitchell..

    "If it dont make $$$$ then it dont make sense"..

    sounds like a duck walks lke a duck its a duck..

    No one said that Marg was great just that he earned his shot and "mONEY" decided to fight other people for LESS money. The Mitchell fight and the Judah fight.

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      #3
      Originally posted by c'monmang'
      Antonio Diaz's biggest win came against Cory Spinks...GATTIS biggest win/loss was Mickey Ward (HYPOCRITE)

      nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention... But he WAS the #1 ranked welter by RING and the longest ranked welter and has more WINS over ranked welters then any current welter and one time and FLOYD was offered his career payday TWICE to fight him ..

      once before the Mitchell and once before and after the Judah fight.
      Floyd excuses were , he had 4 losses..Baldo had 9 Gatti had 5..

      excuses were Marg only fought BUMS.. yet Floyd fought Brussesl, Ndou, Sosa (who Spaddy beat) and Mitchell..

      "If it dont make $$$$ then it dont make sense"..

      sounds like a duck walks lke a duck its a duck..

      No one said that Marg was great just that he earned his shot and "mONEY" decided to fight other people for LESS money. The Mitchell fight and the Judah fight.

      damn, you put him to shame.

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        Originally posted by c'monmang'
        Antonio Diaz's biggest win came against Cory Spinks...GATTIS biggest win/loss was Mickey Ward (HYPOCRITE)

        nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention... But he WAS the #1 ranked welter by RING and the longest ranked welter and has more WINS over ranked welters then any current welter and one time and FLOYD was offered his career payday TWICE to fight him ..

        once before the Mitchell and once before and after the Judah fight.
        Floyd excuses were , he had 4 losses..Baldo had 9 Gatti had 5..

        excuses were Marg only fought BUMS.. yet Floyd fought Brussesl, Ndou, Sosa (who Spaddy beat) and Mitchell..

        "If it dont make $$$$ then it dont make sense"..

        sounds like a duck walks lke a duck its a duck..

        No one said that Marg was great just that he earned his shot and "mONEY" decided to fight other people for LESS money. The Mitchell fight and the Judah fight.

        this is one of the greatest posts i have ever read on the boxing scene. nothing but plain and basic common sense facts.

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          #5
          Originally posted by AlphaQup
          this is one of the greatest posts i have ever read on the boxing scene. nothing but plain and basic common sense facts.
          Really? because it's without a doubt the worst **** I've ever read.

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            Originally posted by c'monmang'
            Antonio Diaz's biggest win came against Cory Spinks...GATTIS biggest win/loss was Mickey Ward (HYPOCRITE)

            nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention... But he WAS the #1 ranked welter by RING and the longest ranked welter and has more WINS over ranked welters then any current welter and one time and FLOYD was offered his career payday TWICE to fight him ..

            once before the Mitchell and once before and after the Judah fight.
            Floyd excuses were , he had 4 losses..Baldo had 9 Gatti had 5..

            excuses were Marg only fought BUMS.. yet Floyd fought Brussesl, Ndou, Sosa (who Spaddy beat) and Mitchell..

            "If it dont make $$$$ then it dont make sense"..

            sounds like a duck walks lke a duck its a duck..

            No one said that Marg was great just that he earned his shot and "mONEY" decided to fight other people for LESS money. The Mitchell fight and the Judah fight.

            What's with the hostility? If you can't play nice, I'm not going to be cool peoples with you. I know your parents didn't teach you to call people names, because I'm sure they're good people.

            Margarito has made his name, not in the ring, but in the press releases where he tries to goad Floyd Mayweather Jr, who would be making pennies on the dollar to fight Margarito.

            In the ring, I don't think Margarito deserves a shot at Mayweather because he's been unsuccessful in recent bouts of significance. Paul Williams, himself undefeated, flooded Margarito out of some organization belt. Daniel Santos, hardly a world beater, proved that if you don't run from Margarito, he's only as tough as you allow him to be.

            The only athlete who made more money than Floyd Mayweather Jr this year was Tiger Woods. I'm not sure where Margarito ranks on that list, but he's not on that tier.

            For Floyd to sell PPVs and justify his big paychecks, he needs an opponent who sells PPVs, like Hatton and ODLH. Margarito's only PPV experience was a bomb, with ******* Gomez. Compare the numbers of Mayweather's recent 2 mill worldide sales PPV and Margarito doesn't have the right gloves to play ball.

            Ricky Hatton brought 33,000 fans to Las Vegas for their fight. Margarito would bring you, Xcaret, and his family. It's ****ed up, but I believe you need to earn your way to fighting the big boys instead of just freezing out the clock and hoping that your turn comes.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Kessler
              Really? because it's without a doubt the worst **** I've ever read.
              ofcourse you feel that way ..the post is completely factually.

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                #8
                Originally posted by c'monmang'
                nobody said MARG was "Great" try and pay attention.
                This makes me chuckle. So Marg is, by your admission, not great; but you expect him to be able to beat Mayweather?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Asian Sensation
                  What's with the hostility? If you can't play nice, I'm not going to be cool peoples with you. I know your parents didn't teach you to call people names, because I'm sure they're good people.
                  Margarito has made his name, not in the ring, but in the press releases where he tries to goad Floyd Mayweather Jr, who would be making pennies on the dollar to fight Margarito.

                  In the ring, I don't think Margarito deserves a shot at Mayweather because he's been unsuccessful in recent bouts of significance. Paul Williams, himself undefeated, flooded Margarito out of some organization belt. Daniel Santos, hardly a world beater, proved that if you don't run from Margarito, he's only as tough as you allow him to be.

                  The only athlete who made more money than Floyd Mayweather Jr this year was Tiger Woods. I'm not sure where Margarito ranks on that list, but he's not on that tier.

                  For Floyd to sell PPVs and justify his big paychecks, he needs an opponent who sells PPVs, like Hatton and ODLH. Margarito's only PPV experience was a bomb, with ******* Gomez. Compare the numbers of Mayweather's recent 2 mill worldide sales PPV and Margarito doesn't have the right gloves to play ball.

                  Ricky Hatton brought 33,000 fans to Las Vegas for their fight. Margarito would bring you, Xcaret, and his family. It's ****ed up, but I believe you need to earn your way to fighting the big boys instead of just freezing out the clock and hoping that your turn comes.

                  please highlight the "hostility' in my post.
                  Last edited by C'MONMANG'; 12-22-2007, 10:55 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dirt E Gomez
                    This makes me chuckle. So Marg is, by your admission, not great; but you expect him to be able to beat Mayweather?
                    that makes it even more of a duck becaues mayweather turned down the biggest payday of his life for a guy most people dont think is that great.

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