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  • ThaHorseman
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    #51
    Originally posted by Mozza
    But it is otherwise okay to punch on the back of the head?
    It is certainly more understandable when the fighters are engaging. You never once heard me say that Hatton should've been penalized for his earlier punches to the back of Floyd's head. They were all in the course of the fight. The one that resulted in the point deduction was deliberate.

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    • Gorguruga
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      #52
      The point deduction was the main problem with Cortez in this fight because Floyd actually did basically the same thing to Hatton earlier on in the fight in the 2nd round, hitting the back of the head while Hattons back was turned along the ropes and Cortez didn't deduct. But later on he started to warn Mayweather a lot for using elbows, at least 6 times, enough to have deducted a point for elbows, he stepped to Mayweathers corner in between rounds to emphasis the warnings but he didn't actually deduct in the end, somewhat exposing his marginally biased refereeing in the fight. If you give 6 warnings for one repeated foul, generally you would expect the ref to deduct. In any case, it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the fight, it didn't go the distance..

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      • BmoreBrawler
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        #53
        Originally posted by ThaHorseman
        I'm not sure how much boxing you watch, but when one fighter rushes in its very common that the fighters clash heads, catch elbows, etc. We could also start pointing out how many times Hatton put his left hand (open handed) in Mayweather's face and tried to followed up with a right hand. We could start to talk about Hatton's constant holding and hitting. We could discuss when Hatton tried to bend the **** out of Floyd's arm. Its funny how everyone is bitching about everything Floyd did, yet nothing about how dirty Hatton was fighting.
        Hatton is a dirty fighter, we know, and he had a point deducted based not on what he did but on what he was expected to do. Guilty until proven innocent.

        Floyd on the other hand THREW and RAKED hatton with elbows, he didnt run into anything...and I dont know what event you are referring to when hatton put his palm in mayweathers face, probably in self defense from an elbow because I did see something like that a few times...mayweather has made a career out of such a move.

        No one is saying hatton is clean, but in that fight floyd was the dirtier fighter and the ref had a clear double standard. CLEAR.

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        • Mozza
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          #54
          Originally posted by ThaHorseman
          It is certainly more understandable when the fighters are engaging. You never once heard me say that Hatton should've been penalized for his earlier punches to the back of Floyd's head. They were all in the course of the fight. The one that resulted in the point deduction was deliberate.
          Several of them were deliberate.

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          • BmoreBrawler
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            #55
            Originally posted by Gorguruga
            The point deduction was the main problem with Cortez in this fight because Floyd actually did basically the same thing to Hatton earlier on in the fight in the 2nd round, hitting the back of the head while Hattons back was turned along the ropes and Cortez didn't deduct. But later on he started to warn Mayweather a lot for using elbows, at least 6 times, enough to have deducted a point for elbows, he stepped to Mayweathers corner in between rounds to emphasis the warnings but he didn't actually deduct in the end, somewhat exposing his marginally biased refereeing in the fight. If you give 6 warnings for one repeated foul, generally you would expect the ref to deduct. In any case, it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the fight, it didn't go the distance..
            point deduction = reckless abandon due to sense of hopelessness for hatton. Now I will be the first to say that floyd could have put hatton away in the first round if he wanted to, but in that particular fight that night the KO ending was probably rushed along by referee impartiality...which is fine because I predicted the fight to go down like it did so oh well.

            If you watch the sequence when the point was deducted from hatton:

            Here is how it transpired,

            Hatton pressured floyd onto the ropes, no contact.

            floyd throws an elbow shot and connects.

            Floyd grabs hattons arm, holding, and hits hatton.

            Hatton answers but floyd turns his back and hatton grazes the back of floyds head.

            as floyd turns his back he throws an elbow and rakes hattons face with it.

            Floyd takes a dive into the ropes.

            Hatton tries to hit Floyd but hits the rope.

            Floyd fouls: 5

            Hatton fouls:0
            Last edited by BmoreBrawler; 12-16-2007, 01:46 AM.

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            • ThaHorseman
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              #56
              Originally posted by BmoreBrawler
              Hatton is a dirty fighter, we know, and he had a point deducted based not on what he did but on what he was expected to do. Guilty until proven innocent.

              Floyd on the other hand THREW and RAKED hatton with elbows, he didnt run into anything...and I dont know what event you are referring to when hatton put his palm in mayweathers face, probably in self defense from an elbow because I did see something like that a few times...mayweather has made a career out of such a move.

              No one is saying hatton is clean, but in that fight floyd was the dirtier fighter and the ref had a clear double standard. CLEAR.
              You show your obvious bias in your second paragraph. "probably in self defense"??? Actually Hatton had Mayweather in a corner, put his glove in Mayweather's face and threw a right hand. It certainly wasn't self defense.

              I would just like a logical explanation for why there was a double standard when the only point deduction came when one fighters head was thru the ropes. All other fouls from both fighters were treated equally with warnings.

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              • BmoreBrawler
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                #57
                Originally posted by ThaHorseman
                You show your obvious bias in your second paragraph. "probably in self defense"??? Actually Hatton had Mayweather in a corner, put his glove in Mayweather's face and threw a right hand. It certainly wasn't self defense.

                I would just like a logical explanation for why there was a double standard when the only point deduction came when one fighters head was thru the ropes. All other fouls from both fighters were treated equally with warnings.
                Of the times I saw Hatton do that, and its not bias because I dont remember seeing what you are talking about, it was self defense because mayweather was pushing off with elbows to the throat and all hatton could do was throw his hands forwards.

                the point was for "hitting behind the head". Mayweather did things equally as venomous and more often yet was not penalized. Double standard. Check out the step by step description of what happened there that I wrote. Wish I could put the .gif up but I cant get any sites to work.

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                • Azteca
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                  #58
                  The fight was going the distance until that crazy shot Mayweather landed. THat is something only a true great would land.

                  DOnt kid yourself. Hatton did a better job on Mayweather than ANYONE before him.

                  He's a hell of a fighter.

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                  • RoyJonesJrp4pno1
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Mozza
                    He didn't commit a foul. Cortez was issuing warnings when nothing was happening. He was blaming Hatton for things Mayweather was doing and vice versa. Some of it was quite unbelievable and I think generally he ruined the fight a bit by not allowing it flow and it was lucky that Pretty Boy Floyd turned on the style from the eighth round onwards to make it a worthwhile PPV.
                    The fight can't flow if they are in a clinch. I don't get the whole Cortez didn't let Hatton fight his fight BS. If fighters are clinched the ref has to break them or it isn't going to be a boxing match it is a wrestling match. Last time i checked it was a boxing match not a wrestling match.

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                    • RoyJonesJrp4pno1
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Azteca
                      The fight was going the distance until that crazy shot Mayweather landed. THat is something only a true great would land.

                      DOnt kid yourself. Hatton did a better job on Mayweather than ANYONE before him.

                      He's a hell of a fighter.
                      You havn't seen many mayweather fights if you really believe this. Judah had Mayweather down and hurt and was winning the fight after 6 rounds. Castillo gave Floyd all he could handle and some people thought he won the fight. Corley stunned Floyd with a right hand. Burton bloodied Mayweathers nose. De la Hoya was competitive through out the fight.

                      Hatton didn't really give Mayweather problems at all. If you know how to score fights he only won one round which was round 5.

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