I was MUCH less impressed than Lamps, Max and the ****

[freedom213]

I think that Calzaghe fought a good fight. Great stamina. Kept the pressure on and broke down Kessler.

I had it 8-4 CalSlappy.

But I do not see Joe as being a special fighter.

i agree HOBO was riding calzhage's jock in hopes to set up a big payday for them with a Hopkins Calz matchup. Im really tired of listening to Steward. He contradicts himself so much

[Azteca]

I dont think DIOS realizes that the UK has PPV's also.

We dont live in the stone age.

[squealpiggy]

1) do that math!! Jeezuss H Effin' Christ. Can you guys add?

2) Yes. Locations of PPVs DO matter. What time would you start the broadcast for a UK fight? How many undercard fights would you have for the American market's $50?

So you're saying that 400,000 PPVs and a 3000 seat gate will do as much money as 400,000 PPVs and a 100,000 seat gate? And now you're asking us to do "math"?

The location of PPVs doesn't matter, it's the time of the fight. For example last night's fight card started at what 9pm GMT with the main event at just after 1am, which is (because we were still on daylight saving time) four hours ahead of eastern time (9pm) and 7 hours ahead of Vegas time (6pm). Tszyu vs Hatton was held at 2am. There are no barriers to holding PPV fights in the UK because they can simply be held later in the early hours of the morning.

Are you aware that GBP has contractual agreements with HBO? And HBO doesn't have the same broadcast rights in the UK? Thus, Time Warner would have to subordinate its rights to a foreign company.

Not it wouldn't, that doesn't make sense. Just as HBO does not broadcast American fights in the UK so Sky Box Office or Setanta wouldn't broadcast fights in the US just because it was held on their soil.

It's the same way with any internationally broadcast sporting event.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Are you aware that the reason that American fights don't care as much about the gate is because teh casinos actually PAY the promoters to stage their fights there? That offsets the shortfall in gate revenue from having it in a big arena.

For example, I would guess that the gate was 7 million dollars last night. An Oscar Delahoya fight has commanded 10 million dollars or more from the casinos.

If Mayweather and Hatton fought in the UK, the fight would do less here in the USA. You are a hardcore fan. You will watch the fight even if it is in Myanmar.

But hardcore fans only bring a fight about 250-300K. Above that number, you need to bring in the casual boxing fan and the non-fan. LOOK AT THE PPV HISTORY. Only crossover fighters do above 400K (20 mil revenue).

I think you are an absolute lunatic for bringing up Duran-Leonard. Was cable pervasive back then? THAT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL. Why are you even talking about an era where we had (for you new yorkers) channels 2,4,5,7,9,11, and 13? And 41 and 47 for good people (latinos).

Are you also thinking of becoming a blacksmith?

A fight does more money in the USA.

I guess you don't know that the U.K. has PPV aswell. By the way, you HONESTLY think that casual fans wont order the PPV, in America, if it's on foreign soil? Honestly, that makes NO ****in' sense. They're at their own homes, regardless. The PPV would do the same numbers, and have the same U.K. numbers. It would just have more advertisement dollars (in my opinion) and a bigger gate number.

The Leonard/Duran statement was to prove, Americans STILL watched the fight. They, unlike you, don't care where they fight. I gaurantee this fight does over 400,000 and I don't see it having changed ANYTHING at all, in terms of buys if it happened in the U.K. The thought-process makes no sense to assume it would.

American fan: I wont watch it, because it's not in my country.

Yeah.. that's ****ING LAUGHABLE, at best. It's on TV/PPV, lazy American fans who wouldn't go to the live event anyway, don't give a **** where it's being broadcast from. The shot will only be as big as their TV screen, regardless. I bet the ratings for Calzaghe/Kessler are good. You act as if you hav to be able to go to the fight, physically, in order to watch it. You don't. Mayweather makes more money than Calzaghe, so in return, so does Hatton. That's a rare thing. It's not like if Calzaghe/Kessler happened in America, the purses would have doubled.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I dont think DIOS realizes that the UK has PPV's also.

We dont live in the stone age.

Do you understand what a "CONTRACT" is?

HBO has nurtured Mayweather FOR YEARS. Overpaying him on the early fights, and now reaping a tidy ROI as a result.

When all these guys were fighting for 500K, Mayweather was getting $4million to fight NDou. Shane got $2 million to fight Collazo THIS YEAR.

Yes, you have PPV's in the UK. But they are Sky/Setanta/whatever. HBO would pay a licensing fee for the broadcast, and then distribute a WORSE product here in the US.

It would be a lower-revenue proposition for a media conglomerate that has invested a ****load into their fighter.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Do you understand what a "CONTRACT" is?

HBO has nurtured Mayweather FOR YEARS. Overpaying him on the early fights, and now reaping a tidy ROI as a result.

When all these guys were fighting for 500K, Mayweather was getting $4million to fight NDou. Shane got $2 million to fight Collazo THIS YEAR.

Yes, you have PPV's in the UK. But they are Sky/Setanta/whatever. HBO would pay a licensing fee for the broadcast, and then distribute a WORSE product here in the US.

It would be a lower-revenue proposition for a media conglomerate that has invested a ****load into their fighter.

HBO airs it's own PPVs, which is why they get less sponsers than a foreign PPV. Futhermore, big money fights on a foreign level, with a well-known American fighter, have had a history of doing well. On top of that, they'd still sell the same amount of U.S. PPVs, WITH HBO, and with a foreign PPV market, AND get more sponsership dollars and a bigger gate.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

American fan: I wont watch it, because it's not in my country.

Yeah.. that's ****ING LAUGHABLE, at best. It's on TV/PPV, lazy American fans who wouldn't go to the live event anyway, don't give a **** where it's being broadcast from. The shot will only be as big as their TV screen, regardless. I bet the ratings for Calzaghe/Kessler are good. You act as if you hav to be able to go to the fight, physically, in order to watch it. You don't. Mayweather makes more money than Calzaghe, so in return, so does Hatton. That's a rare thing. It's not like if Calzaghe/Kessler happened in America, the purses would have doubled.

Again:

The broadcast times, marketing, etc would ALL be affected. So, yes, the PPV nums would be lower.

Did you enjoy the undercard fights last night?

If you are such a genius at business and marketing, then why don't you you structure a deal that is mutually beneficial for all parties? Why didn't Lennos Lewis, hamed, Klitschko, etc have successful PPv's broadcast from Europe? Tell me about all the many Tyson fights that were broadcast from international markets.

Dude. You do not understand promotions. You don't understand the revenue sources. Casino site fees. Corporate endorsements. International licensing arrangements for a contracted fighter.

You are looking at this with the most simplistic grade-school economics.

I am in the business of promotions and sponsorships, and we can talk about this in as much detail as you'd like. But first, you have to loosen your death-grip on that elementary perspective you have.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

HBO airs it's own PPVs, which is why they get less sponsers than a foreign PPV. Futhermore, big money fights on a foreign level, with a well-known American fighter, have had a history of doing well. On top of that, they'd still sell the same amount of U.S. PPVs, WITH HBO, and with a foreign PPV market, AND get more sponsership dollars and a bigger gate.

Name them.

[warp1432]

**** the money situation, but that was a great performance by Calzaghe and I was very impressed.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

HBO airs it's own PPVs, which is why they get less sponsers than a foreign PPV. Futhermore, big money fights on a foreign level, with a well-known American fighter, have had a history of doing well. On top of that, they'd still sell the same amount of U.S. PPVs, WITH HBO, and with a foreign PPV market, AND get more sponsership dollars and a bigger gate.

Why wouldn't HBO decide to RETAIN their broadcast right and to get the higher margin by NOT having to work though a third-party entity (like Alpine, for example) to acquire the distribution rights?

Even if HBO used it's own licensing arm, it is stiill less than ideal. They would operate under a lower-revenue model without the executive producer credit.

Who would retain re-broadcast right? HBO? Or Sky?

How would the residual rights stream work?

I'm interested to hear your answers.