Hatton v. Tszyu...the truth

[THe TRiNiTY]

"Either way PBF beats them both in their prime" LOL

Well we will never know about Tszyu will we?? But we can look at the Judah fight for instance for clues. Judah fought Tszyu and Judah was knocked out in 2. Judah fought Floyd and Judah lost a UD. There is a distinguishable difference there.

And as to Hatton, well December 8th will tell the tale.

AS to the real question that you've been wanting to ask me for 2 nights...ie...was prime Tszyu better than prime Hatton? IN my view Tszyu was better. I completely agree with many experts that place Tszyu in top 3 Jr. WWs of modern times. I agree because I was there. I'm not basing this on a review of clips and stats 5 years after the fact. However, after having said this let me qualify this by saying the jury is still out on Hatton. IF he beats Floyd, depending upon the manner, and based upon future activity, this opinion could change.

You can look at the Judah fight.. But why do you only want to look at fights that FAVOR Kostya, in this case. I don't fault you, it's their only common opponent, that I can think of. BUt, as far as De La Hoya, and Kostya, why do you focus on the ONE fight that favors Kostya? WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED?

[THe TRiNiTY]

I have no idea why Phillips and Tszyu didn't get it on again. Maybe you should ask Tszyu for an answer. But, until then you just continue to imply and insinuate what you want. I really don't care. And, I don't think it's relevant. Got it? It's your lack of substance that is showing here. We're talking about the vitality of Tszyu during the Hatton fight in 2005 and you're running around screaming about Phillips. So what? Get a life.

So, when Tszyu doesn't make a fight, it doesn't matter, it just didn't happen. Yet, if Floyd happens to do the same thing, essentialy (except he DOESN'T have the added incentive of a REMATCH, and his PERSONAL REDEMPTION) he's considered ducking someone?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

The issue is which was a greater accomplishment; Floyd v. Oscar or Hatton v. Tszyu? IMO conquering Tszyu was clearly the greater acheivement. He was p4p (Oscar was not), and he had been undefeated since 1997 (Oscar was not). I'm going with the facts here. You guys can think what you want.

Well, if P4P rating was the criteria, then Floyd has both Corrales and Zab on the P4P lists at the times he beat them.

IMO, the SIZE DIFFERENCE is a huge deal. Because every time I bring up the Collazo fight, Hattonians mention that RH was moving up to fight a bigger, stronger fighter. So, I give FMJ credit for giving up a bunch o' size on fight night. Height. Weight. Reach. Everything.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

So, when Tszyu doesn't make a fight, it doesn't matter, it just didn't happen. Yet, if Floyd happens to do the same thing, essentialy (except he DOESN'T have the added incentive of a REMATCH, and his PERSONAL REDEMPTION) he's considered ducking someone?

Karma for that.

[Wiley Hyena]

You can look at the Judah fight.. But why do you only want to look at fights that FAVOR Kostya, in this case. I don't fault you, it's their only common opponent, that I can think of. BUt, as far as De La Hoya, and Kostya, why do you focus on the ONE fight that favors Kostya? WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED?

Not "OBSESSED" at all. AS I recall, I was responding to an attack on Tszyu. I defended him and did so with evidence, evidence of which you simply cannot stand to look at. Sorry, but the evidence is the evidence.

[El Dominicano]

You are entitled to your opinion. But it is an interesting clip isn't it?

I will admit that this is gonna be a fight. Hatton is this beast with quicking dashing speed but can he hurt PBF? Do something that DLH couldn't do? Even though DLH was 20 pounds heavier? Understand that Ricky hatton has no where near the power DLH has! Thats all I can say. With this little fact that I have stated that alone! Leads me to believe that PBF is gonna whop his ass. BTW I'm a Hatton fan and respect the guy. He isn't a punk and is looking to fight the best fighters. I just dont see him winning.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

"Either way PBF beats them both in their prime" LOL

Well we will never know about Tszyu will we?? But we can look at the Judah fight for instance for clues. Judah fought Tszyu and Judah was knocked out in 2. Judah fought Floyd and Judah lost a UD. There is a distinguishable difference there.
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There's a difference, but is that difference meaningful or relevant?

People who would look at Ali and Foreman's common opponents (norton/frazier ) for "clues" would be quite wrong. Wouldn't they?

[Wiley Hyena]

So, when Tszyu doesn't make a fight, it doesn't matter, it just didn't happen. Yet, if Floyd happens to do the same thing, essentialy (except he DOESN'T have the added incentive of a REMATCH, and his PERSONAL REDEMPTION) he's considered ducking someone?

No, Floyd had the incentive of beating the reigning champion of 140 and proving that he was truly the best. Instead, he fought bums. That's the issue.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Not "OBSESSED" at all. AS I recall, I was responding to an attack on Tszyu. I defended him and did so with evidence, evidence of which you simply cannot stand to look at. Sorry, but the evidence is the evidence.

The thing is, I've taken the evidence, and I've admitted that I believe Kostya Tszyu to be a great fighter. What I will not stand by is how you have a hypocritical way of looking at Mayweather. I dont' think he ducked Kostya, I don't think Kostya ducked Phillips, but if you think Mayweather was ducking in his case, then Kostya DEF. was too.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Sharmba Mitchell, boss.

Thank you ******, I appreciate that. I wouldn't call that a quality opponenet for Mayweather, but it was a decent win. I stand corrected.