Is Paul Williams doing himself a disservice by fighting in the WW Division?

[mrrupo]

Im actually gonna trademark P-Will

and charge people 15 cents every time its typed or said

so anyone feel free to refer to him as P-Will

but it will cost you.

i have called him Pwil for a while. the - is an awkward key to hit, so i just got rid of it, and the second L was a bit redundant for me.

[MJ406]

"I know Kermit is improving but didnt Margorito make him look like a ***** and make him cry so why would Paul Williams back track and fight Kermit when he beat the guy who made him cry"


god this **** is so annoying. im not a fan of Kermit or anything

but if I had a dollar for every time I heard "Margarito made Cintron cry" .. I swear I would be the first trillionare

so what he made Kermit cry .. BIG ****ING deal

boxers cry when they win

or did that never occur to you? (not flaming serious ?ion)

why can't you or P-Will seem to get over the fact that he cried?

your beating that point to death .. and I really don't see a point to it. if its SUCH an easy fight and would be "back track" .. why not take it ... winner of Cintron vs P-Will holds half the titles at 147

I never understood the point of talking **** about another boxer if you have no intention of fighting them.

[mrrupo]

I know Kermit is improving but didnt Margorito make him look like a ***** and make him cry so why would Paul Williams back track and fight Kermit when he beat the guy who made him cry

I agree with most of your claim but sticking him at 160 is not a good idea. He could'nt KO Margorito and I seriously doubt he will be able to deal with those guys at 160 (just my opinion)

Kerm was inexperienced when he was stuck in with marg. There were other issues going on before that fight as well, but i think the main problem is it was just to early in his career to jump up to that level. ****, marg had some losses early in his career. Paul should fight Kerm because he could unify. I mean, he says it would be an easy fight... if we think about it with some rational thought; an easy fight to win a belt, where you would now hold 2 belts in the hottest weight class - NO BRAINER. i think what he means is it would be a very dangerous fight and his stock would plummet with a loss, especially now that he has put down cintron. this fight is not a good matchup for paul.

You're right, Pwil needs to stay right where he is. he does not have much pop in those punches, and going up would only expose that more. Cotto and Cintron are the 2 guys in the division that i believe could go up a weight class or 2.

[beauty]

Mrrupo,

Interesting point about Cotto. I could see that as well.

[Ray Ray]

"I know Kermit is improving but didnt Margorito make him look like a ***** and make him cry so why would Paul Williams back track and fight Kermit when he beat the guy who made him cry"


god this **** is so annoying. im not a fan of Kermit or anything

but if I had a dollar for every time I heard "Margarito made Cintron cry" .. I swear I would be the first trillionare

so what he made Kermit cry .. BIG ****ING deal
boxers cry when they win

or did that never occur to you? (not flaming serious ?ion)why can't you or P-Will seem to get over the fact that he cried?

your beating that point to death .. and I really don't see a point to it. if its SUCH an easy fight and would be "back track" .. why not take it ... winner of Cintron vs P-Will holds half the titles at 147

I never understood the point of talking **** about another boxer if you have no intention of fighting them.

You can defend him all you want to but I still think he is a lil punk for crying about a loss. The difference in crying about a world title is that it's a fighters dream to become world champ. Crying about a loss is hoe **** ( to the public's eye)

I do understand. I have my opinion and you have yours so keep it that way. I dont have to agree with every little word you say and I dont expect you to agree with everything I say so just leave it at that

Kerm was inexperienced when he was stuck in with marg. There were other issues going on before that fight as well, but i think the main problem is it was just to early in his career to jump up to that level. ****, marg had some losses early in his career. Paul should fight Kerm because he could unify. I mean, he says it would be an easy fight... if we think about it with some rational thought; an easy fight to win a belt, where you would now hold 2 belts in the hottest weight class - NO BRAINER. i think what he means is it would be a very dangerous fight and his stock would plummet with a loss, especially now that he has put down cintron. this fight is not a good matchup for paul.

You're right, Pwil needs to stay right where he is. he does not have much pop in those punches, and going up would only expose that more. Cotto and Cintron are the 2 guys in the division that i believe could go up a weight class or 2.

I understand your point and I agree to an extent but wasnt he damn near ko everybody he fought. I knew about the outside distractions but the inexperience thing, I'm not buying. He was like 25-0 with 24 ko's. How much experience do you need? He was a good, decent fighter then and he is now. The reason why I dont think Paul Williams should fight Kermit now is that Kermit needs to avenge his loss to Margorito and then it will bring more to the table for both fighters ( williams and cintron) when they do meet. They should fight but not now. Thats what I was trying to point out.

One more point that just stood out at me. I seriously doubt Cotto would do any damage at 154. First he is too short. Yeah he is a beast but he is to wide open to get popped by the bigger man. IMO 147 is the best place for him and will do damage there but to say he can move up and be a contender is over-doing it IMO. He needs to clean out 147 then he might have a chance of competinig at higher weight classes.

[Primal Instinx]

If Paul Williams wants the world to take him serious than he has to stay at welterweight and clean out the division before moving up. Not an easy task by no means! Besides the reason he is not fighting is cause everyone is fighting eachother right now. Time will tell so take a seat and enjoy this welterweight division because it's one hell of a ride we haven't had in boxing in awhile.

[MoneyINC]

I think he is somewhat overrated, myself. However, is it possible that he is doing himself a disservice by not advancing to the next division?

IMO, I doubt many of the top WW would be willing to see him in the ring for varying reasons. As much, with the advantages he has it would seem to me he'd better challange himself if he advanced.

Any thoughts?

His not doing his-self a disservice he is doing whats going to make him the most money, RIGHT NOW! The WW division is stacked with p4p talent and his next big payday could be right around the corner, with Oscar wanting to fight there, and Floyd, Mosely and Cotto all lurking in the midst, its inevitable he gets what he wants and thats a BIG MONEY fight with A BIG NAME GUY! He got his shot at Tony and flurished word is Cintron is next, so after that who knows what happens, i know all i see is money on the horizon and his appraoching that fast... It'll be coo if he fought before 2008!

[mrrupo]

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I understand your point and I agree to an extent but wasnt he damn near ko everybody he fought. I knew about the outside distractions but the inexperience thing, I'm not buying. He was like 25-0 with 24 ko's. How much experience do you need? He was a good, decent fighter then and he is now. The reason why I dont think Paul Williams should fight Kermit now is that Kermit needs to avenge his loss to Margorito and then it will bring more to the table for both fighters ( williams and cintron) when they do meet. They should fight but not now. Thats what I was trying to point out.

One more point that just stood out at me. I seriously doubt Cotto would do any damage at 154. First he is too short. Yeah he is a beast but he is to wide open to get popped by the bigger man. IMO 147 is the best place for him and will do damage there but to say he can move up and be a contender is over-doing it IMO. He needs to clean out 147 then he might have a chance of competinig at higher weight classes.

I said he was inexperienced because he had no amatuer career. he didnt start boxing until he was 20. i know this because ive known him since we were kids. his amatuer career consisted of fighting in the basement of our towns police station when he was 20, he could have used another teddy reid or two before margarito, imo.

I see you point about cotto, and i think 147 is good for him now, but with those body punches and taller guys i just think he would be ok. i could be way off on this one, and will have a better impression after the fight with mosley.

[MJ406]

im not defending him for crying but what do you mean by

"hoe ****?"

"Crying about a loss is hoe **** ( to the public's eye)"

eh its bad I agree .. but come on .. that dude from the contender was sobbing like a baby and he lost by UD.

I know you don't have to agree.

I just think your making a big deal out of human emotion

is Kermit Cintron the only fighter in the history of boxing to cry in a world title fight? if that was the case rip him all you want

I don't agree with the crying .. but so what .. your calling someone a hoe .. because he displayed human emotion

people laugh, cry, fart ..etc its really not that big a deal.

and the fight was 2 years ago.

[TyrantT316]

thats exactly what i was thinking if he wants to make some money fights he should move up in class still i think his manager will play it safe and he will remain in obscurity defending his wbo title vs the likes of collazo

So you believe there is more money at 154 with Spinks, Forrest, Alcine, Dzinziruk and Karmazin than at 147 with Floyd, Shane, Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Clottey, Judah, Collazo, Cintron, DLH, Berto, Quintana, Julio?