Is Paul Williams doing himself a disservice by fighting in the WW Division?

[beauty]

Off the subject, but with that work rate he is going to be a tough mother****er to beat.

That is why I am saying it's visually deceptive. It's not actually that he is so accurate, his work rate is up there and his output is impressive.

However, can that be classified as real skill?


Thoughts?

[beauty]

If he moves up he doesnt have the big advantage he currently has. The big money fights are where hes @ atm...not a class up. He fights Cotto, SSM, PBF, etc. Those are all huge money fights and he can beat all of them if he wants it bad enough, and I believe he does.

What about his skills convinces you think he can beat them all?

Just wondering.

[Ray Ray]

That is why I am saying it's visually deceptive. It's not actually that he is so accurate, his work rate is up there and his output is impressive.

However, can that be classified as real skill?


Thoughts?

You're might be right but it depends on how you measure his skill level. No he doesnt posses the skills PBF has but he does have decent skills IMO. Paul Williams is a freak in this division and IMHO I see him clearing out the division.

[MJ406]

I think we're all in agreement that P-Will has skills and talent

to call him a bum is just downright wrong

but anyway .. "However, can that be classified as real skill? "

most definetly ... im sure a lot more boxers would throw 100 plus punches a round if they could

skill is having talent and ability .. so if P-Will can do it, I think it would count as a skill.

im not gonna zero in on an exact number .. but everyone gets the idea that Punisher is a high volume puncher.

but I agree that the high punch output is a lot more visually appealing .. you can literally see the fact that he throws lots and lots of punches each round

as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100

doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad

granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't **** up that badly .. can they?

[beauty]

as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100

doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad

granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't **** up that badly .. can they?

Maybe they only do it when P-Will fights

[Ray Ray]

I think we're all in agreement that P-Will has skills and talent

to call him a bum is just downright wrong

but anyway .. "However, can that be classified as real skill? "

most definetly ... im sure a lot more boxers would throw 100 plus punches a round if they could

skill is having talent and ability .. so if P-Will can do it, I think it would count as a skill.

im not gonna zero in on an exact number .. but everyone gets the idea that Punisher is a high volume puncher.

but I agree that the high punch output is a lot more visually appealing .. you can literally see the fact that he throws lots and lots of punches each round

as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100

doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad

granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't **** up that badly .. can they?

MJ you present a good point about the effectiveness of his punches.

Let me break it down like this. You take 2 fighters AM and Cotto (just ex. people so dont get mad at me)

AM- seems to not be bothered by his punches and just block most of them but still wasnt active enough to compete with his high output of punches. While most werer missing you still had some to connect and keep AM honest.

Cotto- if they were to fight, Williams would make Cotto look bad. While some of Williams punches will miss, most punches will connect due to lack of defense and his straight foward style. That is taylor made for a guy who throws 100 punches a round. I could possible see Cotto KO due the accumalation of punches.

The point I'm trying to make is that some fighters can block and take shots better than most and some cant. AM might have a good beard so that why 100 punches a round might not bother him where as you have Cotto who has a questionable chin and might be bothered by the 100 punches per round.

[SkillspayBills]

Winning begats exposure, exposure begats money, money begats a title shot against some of those other fighters. He has to just keep winning and he will get where he needs to be.

[MJ406]

Yeah Marg had very good punch resistance .. and definetly got outworked .. which is why he lost

*mighta mentioned that earlier .. dunno though

judges are gonna notice the more active fighter (who happened to be P-Will)

thats why post-fight Margarito complaining about losing is very ****** .. he simply got outworked

your right .. Paul wasn't wiffing on all of em .. he did connect (with some pretty hard shots).. and couldn't KO Marg, cuz of Tony's very good chin

Cotto-P-Will would be a very intriguing fight .. based on a lotta factors that you named ... sure Cotto is the harder puncher .. but I think your correct in that Miguel would eat punches just to get to Williams .. and Cotto's defense isn't the greatest.

all Paul would have to do is keep his distance .. and throw punches in bunches ..dunno about a KO .. but it would be an interesting contrast of styles.

[freedom213]

That is not my point. I know he has a shot and so do most if not all of the other ww. My point is how many do you see scramming to fight him? When was his last fight?

The men in this division are not going to risk their 0, their legacy etc. and step in the ring with a man who is 6'2 with an 82" reach. As far as power, I doubt that Williams is MORE powerful than most, moreso comparably powerful. Also, with as many punches as he threw against Marg, he landed in the low 20 percents or upper teens if I am not mistaken. Do not allow punch volume to confuse. It may look like a lot, but how accurate? How powerful? He should have been capable of KO'ing Tony with as many hits as he threw.

I like Williams. I think he would be better challenged in that more of the best would be willing to take him on if he advanced is all.

I think Williams should stay at WW and beat the top names. he can clean out the division. You guys may call it crazy, but I suggested this on another board... What would Williams/Pavlik look like at 160. I think Williams handspeed and size would trouble Pavlik. Williams has a decent chin. Pavlik would be at a size and speed disadvantage. He'd have advantages in power and that 160 is his natural weight.

you two have unearthed it. By the time the other top fighters,maybe other than Cintron, are ready to fight him his body will have likely overstayed its welcome at that weight. In his fight against Margarito he looked absolutely horrible in his face, making that weight will likely be his downfall one way or the other

[GTL]

who would he fight at 154? there are no big names..

its a dull division..