Is Paul Williams doing himself a disservice by fighting in the WW Division?

[kayjay]

Good post beauty, I agree with most of it.

What people need to remember is that there have been Welterweights his size before, he's not a freak of nature. And there's precedent for the big welters to lose to shorter ones who can get inside.

Classic sometimes shows BOTH Starling-Breland fights, I suggest you Williams fans watch those. And there's no doubt Breland was a better boxer than Williams.

[kayjay]

Good post beauty, I agree with most of it.

What people need to remember is that there have been Welterweights his size before, he's not a freak of nature. And there's precedent for the big welters to lose to shorter ones who can get inside.

Classic sometimes shows BOTH Starling-Breland fights, I suggest you Williams fans watch those. And there's no doubt Breland was a better boxer than Williams.

Scully does the commentary for the second one and knew these guys. So i tried to bait him into trashing Williams one day by asking him how he thinks Williams compares to Breland. Being the smart guy he is, though, he just said "Marlon always told me that Breland had a great jab that felt like a right hand." Scully doesn't tend to diss fighters.

[beauty]

Kayjay,

Thanks. I am not discrediting the WW's in the division nor their ability. Or Paul's. Just being honest. Visually, he would appear intimidating.

I think a lot is visual with him. He does not suck, however I think in the fight with Tony, he was visually better than he actually was. If that makes any sense.

[MJ406]

pay your dues ... in the ring

P-Will right now is one of the taller Welter's in the division .. not many 147 pders who are above 6 feet

and a very tough fight for any top level opponents

but what I don't get is why can't he just get A fight?

instead of sitting on his hands saying "fight me, fight me"

shut up already. even Miguel Cotto didn't get Mosley right away .. Cotto had to beat Quintana, Urkel, and Judah before his big fight with Shane which is in 2 months

so what im saying is P-Will isn't gonna get the big fights by saying that Cotto and Mayweather are ducking him . .because look who PBF and Cotto are facing .. on paper a least ..... 2 of their toughest fights in Mosley & Mayweather

P-Will isn't gonna get a fight if he's just talking ****

hell its only been 3 months since he won his title and I already forgot about him

talking about Cintron, Mayweather, Cotto is going to get old very fast if it hasn't already.

If Kermit's such a cry baby like P-Will says .. why not just fight him

cuz P-Will's doing his fair share of pissing and moaning at the moment.

[beauty]

P-Will right now is one of the taller Welter's in the division .. not many 147 pders who are above 6 feet

and a very tough fight for any top level opponents

but what I don't get is why can't he just get A fight?

instead of sitting on his hands saying "fight me, fight me"

shut up already. even Miguel Cotto didn't get Mosley right away .. Cotto had to beat Quintana, Urkel, and Judah before his big fight with Shane which is in 2 months

so what im saying is P-Will isn't gonna get the big fights by saying that Cotto and Mayweather are ducking him . .because look who PBF and Cotto are facing .. on paper a least ..... 2 of their toughest fights in Mosley & Mayweather

P-Will isn't gonna get a fight if he's just talking ****

hell its only been 3 months since he won his title and I already forgot about him

talking about Cintron, Mayweather, Cotto is going to get old very fast if it hasn't already.

If Kermit's such a cry baby like P-Will says .. why not just fight him

cuz P-Will's doing his fair share of pissing and moaning at the moment.

I was going to mention this. I am not really understanding what he thinks. It's like, you just won a title and not etxremely convincingly, IMO. I think he needs to simmer down some. He's not on the level of a Cotto, Mayweather etc. He can not make any demands. He can talk all he wants but talking will not get a, "basically unknown" into the ring with a top WW.

[Damn_Zany_Gun]

**** no. he makes the weight with no problem at all. he is still young. most of you guys want to see him move up because you know he'll mop your favorite fighter.

Sounds to me like you are just a bandwagon fan.

You obviously don't know what the phuk you are talking about when you say people are afraid to see their favorite fighter get mopped by Williams and that is why we want him to move up.

You obviously don't know your history from the looks of things either.

Let me break it down for you real quick son. Did you see the Walter Dario Matthysse vs Paul Williams bout? I doubt it. Any way... Little Walter put up a hell of a fight against Williams, he was allover Paul. Little Walter even rocked and rolled Williams a couple of times in that fight. I never thought much of the Argentinian fighter to begin with. It took Paul Williams 10 rounds to take out little Walter and Kermit Cintron took him out in 2 rounds.

I personaly do not think Antonio Margarito is all that but he has his moments and the fact that people everywhere were saying Floyd was afraid of him, made Tony out to be this monster when he really isn't. I will give Tony credit for knocking out Kermit and making him cry after the fight but, Paul Williams was not very impressive. Paul has his moment too but if you think fighters such as Cotto and Mayweather can not do a number on Paul, you better think again. Do you remember Thomas Hearns? One slick boxer Sugar beat him and one Brawler named Marvin Hagler beat him too. We have our Sugar Ray Leonard type fighter in Floyd and we have our Hagler type fighter in Cotto.
Yes there are many differences and I know them all too well. There can only be one Sugar Ray and only one Hagler. I am just trying to compare an era of fighters as close as can be done. Pual Williams can get smoked and just might soon enough. His pitter patter bs will be laughed off by fighters like Floyd and Cotto. When Paul get's beat, he will move up. He will get chased out just like Taylor got chased out of the Middle Weight division last week.
So don't hype up Paul until he is truly tested by someone great like Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[kayjay]

Beauty I didn't think you were trashing him.

I think you're exactly right. He's good, but he might appear to be doing better than he is due to his physical presence. The Margarito fight was actually reasonably close. It was a solid performance by him, not a great one.

And MJ406 is exactly right also, Williams hasn't yet earned the big fights. Look at how long Cotto and Hatton had to prove themselves leading up to these fights. Williams should defend two or three times against the best available competition, and THEN start calling people out. As it stands now his call-outs are meaningless.

[realheavyhands]

hes no even the biggest welter.. cintron and cotto are bigger

[MJ406]

exactly

the title of my post was "pay your dues in the ring"

and thats what it should be about (especially someone who needs to build up his profile and resume) continued lower

im 50/50 on the actaul Marg vs P-Will fight.. Punisher kinda faded in the later rounds .. but won so many of the early ones stricktly on the fact that he was throwing so many damn punches .. Marg definetly landed some hard clean shots in the 9th 10th (dunno the exact rounds ... but he was hitting him hard) it doesn't matter that they weren't landing (P-Will's high punch output). judges see lots of punches thrown .. and are impressed.

**continued. If P-Will ran through a couple mandatory defenses .. and Cintron (picking up the IBF title) .. and still couldn't get a top level fight.

then cry about being ducked

but the dude just won his title in July .. and hasn't done a damn thing since.

[beauty]

Beauty I didn't think you were trashing him.

I think you're exactly right. He's good, but he might appear to be doing better than he is due to his physical presence. The Margarito fight was actually reasonably close. It was a solid performance by him, not a great one.

And MJ406 is exactly right also, Williams hasn't yet earned the big fights. Look at how long Cotto and Hatton had to prove themselves leading up to these fights. Williams should defend two or three times against the best available competition, and THEN start calling people out. As it stands now his call-outs are meaningless.

K,

I know. I was just making it clear for others who may think that is my angle.

I agree, the fight was reasonable close, and IMO, should have been more convincing. I find it surprising so many fail to realize that.

As for earning, look how long it took Winky. I mean, he really fought his way into dominance and it took a while. I am all for confidence, but crawl, walk, run.