Is Paul Williams doing himself a disservice by fighting in the WW Division?

[Ray Ray]

im not defending him for crying but what do you mean by

"hoe ****?"

"Crying about a loss is hoe **** ( to the public's eye)"

eh its bad I agree .. but come on .. that dude from the contender was sobbing like a baby and he lost by UD.

I know you don't have to agree.

I just think your making a big deal out of human emotion

is Kermit Cintron the only fighter in the history of boxing to cry in a world title fight? if that was the case rip him all you want

I don't agree with the crying .. but so what .. your calling someone a hoe .. because he displayed human emotion

people laugh, cry, fart ..etc its really not that big a deal.

and the fight was 2 years ago.

You're right and you present a good point. I dont know how you were riased but from what I was taught by my family and my morals of life a man is not suppose to cry. I dont know if its a southern thing or what but that is how I look at it. Maybe I was a little over board by calling him that name but its just my enviroment I'm around and I cant help the way I feel about men crying in sports. (ex) I didnt like it when Floyd broke down and started crying when he defeated Gatti nor did I like when Pacman started crying when he defeated. For me it works on both sides of the gate. IMO I feel like a man shouldnt cry during a sports moment. I'm sorry but that just how I was taught.

[Eno]

I don't know how this turned into a thread about Cintron crying but put it this way, nobody on this board can really call any fighter a ***** for crying when he would wipe the floor with all of us.

[Xyei]

He shouldn't move up in weight yet. I haven't heard any problems with him making weight yet and he has such a physical advantage at WW so he should stay put. Plus he in spite of what people think, he really doesn't have that much power. We saw that against Margarito. If he moved up now there would be a lot of guys just as tall with a lot more power. He is still pretty young at 26 and hasn't even hit his prime yet. As long as he can make 147 somewhat comfortably, I believe he should stay.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him having trouble making 147 in a few years though.

[MJ406]

I don't know how this turned into a thread about Cintron crying but put it this way, nobody on this board can really call any fighter a ***** for crying when he would wipe the floor with all of us.

lol

yeah it might be a southern thing .. but come on

look at De La Hoya .. winning the gold medal and dedicating it to his mother who passes from cancer

if he can't cry during that .. thats borderline unhuman

a lotta Olympians get emotional if you think about it.

*didn't Michael Jordan cry when he won his first NBA championship

sure in pro sports crying can be a bit over dramatic and put ones manhood into ?ion. definetly agree with that

*did you hear Cory Spinks wailing .. god that was awful to say the least

look at it like this .. how many times have you seen or heard athletes and thought

"that guy doesn't give a **** about the sport .. absolutly gutless all he cares about is making $$"

so in that sense crying can show your passionate about the sport

but it can also make you come across as a tool and or *****

so I agree with you in that sense.

[beauty]

Emotion is natural. Period. Men cry, women cry, kids cry. Crying shows strength, IMO. Any man who is confident enough in his masuclinity to cry in front of the world is one heck of a man in my book.

[AntonTheMeh]

Sounds to me like you are just a bandwagon fan.

You obviously don't know what the phuk you are talking about when you say people are afraid to see their favorite fighter get mopped by Williams and that is why we want him to move up.

You obviously don't know your history from the looks of things either.

Let me break it down for you real quick son. Did you see the Walter Dario Matthysse vs Paul Williams bout? I doubt it. Any way... Little Walter put up a hell of a fight against Williams, he was allover Paul. Little Walter even rocked and rolled Williams a couple of times in that fight. I never thought much of the Argentinian fighter to begin with. It took Paul Williams 10 rounds to take out little Walter and Kermit Cintron took him out in 2 rounds.

I personaly do not think Antonio Margarito is all that but he has his moments and the fact that people everywhere were saying Floyd was afraid of him, made Tony out to be this monster when he really isn't. I will give Tony credit for knocking out Kermit and making him cry after the fight but, Paul Williams was not very impressive. Paul has his moment too but if you think fighters such as Cotto and Mayweather can not do a number on Paul, you better think again. Do you remember Thomas Hearns? One slick boxer Sugar beat him and one Brawler named Marvin Hagler beat him too. We have our Sugar Ray Leonard type fighter in Floyd and we have our Hagler type fighter in Cotto.
Yes there are many differences and I know them all too well. There can only be one Sugar Ray and only one Hagler. I am just trying to compare an era of fighters as close as can be done. Pual Williams can get smoked and just might soon enough. His pitter patter bs will be laughed off by fighters like Floyd and Cotto. When Paul get's beat, he will move up. He will get chased out just like Taylor got chased out of the Middle Weight division last week.
So don't hype up Paul until he is truly tested by someone great like Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

good assessment.

[Parody]

I was going to mention this. I am not really understanding what he thinks. It's like, you just won a title and not etxremely convincingly, IMO. I think he needs to simmer down some. He's not on the level of a Cotto, Mayweather etc. He can not make any demands. He can talk all he wants but talking will not get a, "basically unknown" into the ring with a top WW.

Winning 9 rounds out of 12 is convincing enough IMO.

[beauty]

Winning 9 rounds out of 12 is convincing enough IMO.

You're correct. That is your opinion. Not mine.

I have already stated why I feel his win should have been more convincing.

Compubox numbers were as follows;

Punch Totals (Compubox) Williams 1256 total punches 243 landed 22%
Margarito 571 total punches 155 landed 27%


Paul threw almost 1000 more punches, but landed less than 100 more punches. Visually, it was more convincing.

[McNulty]

If he moves up he doesnt have the big advantage he currently has. The big money fights are where hes @ atm...not a class up. He fights Cotto, SSM, PBF, etc. Those are all huge money fights and he can beat all of them if he wants it bad enough, and I believe he does.

[Ray Ray]

You're correct. That is your opinion. Not mine.

I have already stated why I feel his win should have been more convincing.

Compubox numbers were as follows;

Punch Totals (Compubox) Williams 1256 total punches 243 landed 22%
Margarito 571 total punches 155 landed 27%


Paul threw almost 1000 more punches, but landed less than 100 more punches. Visually, it was more convincing.

Off the subject, but with that work rate he is going to be a tough mother****er to beat.