Whoever Floyd beats, you'll keep raising the bar...

[SkillspayBills]

Why is this the only argument a floyd hater has. Did you see the fight, did you watch the fifth round, or did you see floyd movoe back a bit to create some space and scream out "LOOK AT HIM RUN!!!" Let's be real here you don't win fights running, especially a fight of that magnitude.

[deuce_drop]

floyd just needs to fight top guys that are legit top guys, enough with the brueseles', corelys', gattis', the over the hill mitchells', or a over matched baldomirs' and then call himself great.

first and foremost when someone proclaims themselves great, they aint great, being great by over coming adversity and being called great by your peers is what makes you great. you don't just start calling yourself Chef when you're a line cook or if you come right out of culinary school, it's something that you have to earn and have to be recognized by your peers and by the masses, Ali called himself the greatest and from his performances and from his life struggles inside and outside the ring people accepted it, but The Greatest Ray Robinson never went out and called himself the greatest, he never started saying he was the greatest before he had any monumental fights, he sure as hell didn't call himself great before 40 wins.

floyd is great at what he does, but is it appealing to the masses? is it appealing to the majority of people who watch boxing? is it appealing to the people who pay for tickets or ppv? i think the overall consensus is no, it's too soon and like i said, floyd hasn't had one monumental fight, nothing that has put him in fight of the year, or earned him fighter of the year, round of the year, or performance of the year, and yet he wants to be called the Greatest, naw. top quality, yes, the greatest? only in his mind and those who don't know any better.

is floyd the best of his era? i think that you can say yes, but only to a certain degree, if fighting B level guys without fighting A level guy in their prime is good enough to call yourself the best in the era then i guess so.

all in all, floyd needs to fight more and fight better opposition and floyd needs more than one monumental fight (which hasn't happened yet) in order to be considered great or even the best in his era.

is floyd the most talented, yes, but talent only goes so far, it takes more than talent to be considered great.

now if floyd had a record like willie pep or ray robinson,even with the losses, something to that nature then we wouldn't even be discussing this, it would be a given that with his talent and his track record and his perseverance, it would be undeniable, and that has yet to happen.

can floyd beat all those that he needs to become great? yes. will he? doubt it, because it's easier to call yourself The Greatest then to actually become the undisputed Greatest...............

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm struggling with how you blame the SMALLER MAN for not brawling. Wasn't it the job of the BIGGER MAN to make the little guy fight the "rough, tough, dirty fight"?

Also, there is a pretty long bus ride from "running like a thief" (ODLH vs Trinidad / Andre Dirrell in his last ********) and "boxing" (PBF vs ODLH).

Why is this the only argument a floyd hater has. Did you see the fight, did you watch the fifth round, or did you see floyd movoe back a bit to create some space and scream out "LOOK AT HIM RUN!!!" Let's be real here you don't win fights running, especially a fight of that magnitude.

Did Floyd or did Floyd not say he was going to mix it up? Did he or did he not deliver on his promises? That is the ONLY salient point here and YOU, Sir, have ignored it. Just as Dominicano did. Address the point or shut your gob.

Poet

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

is floyd the best of his era? i think that you can say yes, but only to a certain degree, if fighting B level guys without fighting A level guy in their prime is good enough to call yourself the best in the era then i guess so.
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What A-level, prime guys has Floyd ducked?

Mayweather has been a welterweight for less than two years, In that time, he fought Judah, Delahoya and has Hatton scheduled.

Who did PBF duck at 130? 135? 140? Please educate me.

[SkillspayBills]

Did Floyd or did Floyd not say he was going to mix it up? Did he or did he not deliver on his promises? That is the ONLY salient point here and YOU, Sir, have ignored it. Just as Dominicano did. Address the point or shut your gob.

Poet

They way you speak you cat like all floyd did was move around the ring without throwing a punch. Answer this question did oscar get staggered or wobbled during the fight? YES on at least 2 occasion floyd pounded him with a good right hand that wobbled oscar. If it isn't his style to go out there and **** it out with someone why do it. That's like a fighter saying he is going to knock someone out but doesn't not everything you say comes to fruition.

p.s. where are you from because I have never heard the word gob before.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Did Floyd or did Floyd not say he was going to mix it up? Did he or did he not deliver on his promises? That is the ONLY salient point here and YOU, Sir, have ignored it. Just as Dominicano did. Address the point or shut your gob.

Poet

Floyd told Oscar that "you can never beat me. I can be 130, and you be 160 and I'll STILL beat you". Then, Oscar said " I hope you don't run". Floyd's response was that "if you can run like me, then you would have beaten Trinidad".

Oscar proceeded to say that he "was going to make it a rough, tough dirty fight". That the referee was going to have "to warn me a few times". He told Floyd that "when I touch you, you will hurt for weeks".

Floyd said that he could stand toe-to-toe with Oscar and beat him. That he will show Oscar that he can beat him fighting HIS fight. He said that he would put a "brutal beating" on Oscar and that it would be "a massacre".

In 24/7, Oscar was working with Roach, and Roach was bumping Oscar and telling him to make it physical . "This is a fight. **** him".

On Floyd's side, he said "Get my running ****. I'm gonna ice this mutha****a."

Soooo, the trash-talking was going both ways. PBF talked MORE **** than Oscar. And he started it off at the first presscon. IS THAT ALL ACCURATE?

IMO, since Oscar dictated the 154 limit, the gloves, the ring size, etc, he had the burden of making the little guy FIGHT. Oscar fought a DUMB fight.

All I know is that if I get into a street fight, I'm gonna fight some little guy (180 lbs) differently than I fight the some big guy (240 lbs). Wouldn't you?

[StarshipTrooper]

Floyd told Oscar that "you can never beat me. I can be 130, and you be 160 and I'll STILL beat you". Then, Oscar said " I hope you don't run". Floyd's response was that "if you can run like me, then you would have beaten Trinidad".

Oscar proceeded to say that he "was going to make it a rough, tough dirty fight". That the referee was going to have "to warn me a few times". He told Floyd that "when I touch you, you will hurt for weeks".

Floyd said that he could stand toe-to-toe with Oscar and beat him. That he will show Oscar that he can beat him fighting HIS fight. He said that he would put a "brutal beating" on Oscar and that it would be "a massacre".

In 24/7, Oscar was working with Roach, and Roach was bumping Oscar and telling him to make it physical . "This is a fight. **** him".

On Floyd's side, he said "Get my running ****. I'm gonna ice this mutha****a."

Soooo, the trash-talking was going both ways. PBF talked MORE **** than Oscar. And he started it off at the first presscon. IS THAT ALL ACCURATE?

IMO, since Oscar dictated the 154 limit, the gloves, the ring size, etc, he had the burden of making the little guy FIGHT. Oscar fought a DUMB fight.

All I know is that if I get into a street fight, I'm gonna fight some little guy (180 lbs) differently than I fight the some big guy (240 lbs). Wouldn't you?

And STILL he dodges the point! Judging by your posts I'd say you wouldn't know a smart fight if it bit you on the ass. Now. Address the point at hand or shut your Gob.

Poet

[kayjay]

I can't b;ame Floyd for the way he fought Oscar. he'd have gotten knocked out otherwise. And Balsomir was a fight he had to take, it's not his fault the worst 147 lb champ ever was there for him. With that said, those were great but not legendary performances.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

And STILL he dodges the point! Judging by your posts I'd say you wouldn't know a smart fight if it bit you on the ass. Now. Address the point at hand or shut your Gob.

Poet

OK. You either did not read what I said, or you are just angry and anxious for a fight. I told you exactly what PBF said , and what he did.

I'll shut my gob and move on. We are not on the same page. Cheers, mate.

[deuce_drop]

What A-level, prime guys has Floyd ducked?

Mayweather has been a welterweight for less than two years, In that time, he fought Judah, Delahoya and has Hatton scheduled.

Who did PBF duck at 130? 135? 140? Please educate me.

i never said that he ducked anyone, i said that he hasn't fought a A level guy in their prime. Judah was one that he needed to fight, DLH past his prime and although DLH could've beat mayweather, mayweather didn't fight him until his career was in the twilight of his career.

hatton is a good one, he's another name that floyd needs to help his cause.

now, i have a feeling no matter what name i throw out you're going to blindly defend floyd and most likely are going to say that they ducked him this and that. so i feel like i'm wasting my time, because you have already put words into my mouth saying that i said floyd ducked guys, which i did not.

but here are some names that he could've fought, and some of the guys like mitchell he could've fought before/he/mitchell was damaged goods.

spadafora, stevie johnston, casamayor, tszyu, lazcano,(mosley, cotto,still up in the air) (margarito too late now), freitas(before chico got him), there are some others, i'm not going to do any extensive work here because it's beyond the point, he could've made fights with barerra and morales at a catch weight.

the fact of the matter is this, if he fought these guy he more than likely would've beaten them, even in their prime, tszyu would have been the hardest in my opinion prior to losing to hatton(who took his fighting spirit)but mayweather didn't fight those guys and from what i remember he didn't want to fight any of them.

when he fought chico he made sure the fight was at 130 because he tested the waters at 135 the fight before with augustus and had a rough time prior to augustus's corner stopping the fight( which was pretty shady) but mayweather said that he'd never fight above 130 when he fought chico, then after he moves up in weight, because he knew that corrales would have a hard time making the weight and that at 135 chico would be more dangerous, now would he have neaten chico at 135? probably, styles make fights and floyds style, especially back then was taylor made to control chico's come forward style, easy for pot shots.

the thing is whether he beats those guys or not, or even better guys than i mentioned, he didn't, he didn't fight them or their counter parts in and or around those weights. fighting and beating those guys and others is harder then to say that you(floyd) could or he could. like is said also it's easier to call yourself the greatest then it is to be CALLED THE GREATEST from the majority of the population and your peers.

as to the guys that i mentioned it is easy to discredit all of them, and i'm sure that you and every other diehard mayweather supporters will do, but what i'm saying is that in order for someone to claim what he's claiming he should be leaving us with no doubt, without a shadow of a doubt. all he's doing is leaving us with a bunch of what ifs, and what ifs don't translate into being great.

most of floyds fights he's dominated or was in control the whole fight, give or take a few performances, but when floyd has made some fights, like with brueseles the world was like why that fight, who the hell is that guy, when there were others that you would more rather see him fight, thats what i'm talking about. floyd says that he can beat everyone but doesn't fight the guys that he says he can beat, instead he tries to retire in order to create a demand about him, if he had more exciting fights then there would be a world wide demand to see floyd fight, right now there is no demand, the only reason his fight with hatton is such a high profile fight is that there is demand to see hatton fight floyd. if hatton didn't have the fame and following that he does, the numbers on the fight wouldn't be anywhere near what they're going to be.


floyd is good, and can be great or at least mentioned with the greats, but as of now, no, he has to prove it.

oh and one more thing, when has floyd been in a monumental fight? when has he had a fight of the year candidate? or been candidate for fighter of the year? round of the year?
it hasn't happened, mainly due to the fact of who he's picked to fight and the choices he's chosen on how to fight. there have been more times then i can count on my hands when floyd should have stepped up the pace and got his opponent out of there, instead he plays it way too safe, boring safe, and carries his opponents to the final bell, making it a boring and less than entertaining fight to watch..................