Kimbo Fight

[hnk_jr]

Its much harder to learn how to properly defend a takedown than it is to box. It's also much harder to get a Brazilian Jujitsu Black Belt than to become a WBA Boxing champion.

Wrestlers who have won medals in the olympics and competed in wrestling all their lives come into to MMA and can take down pretty much anybody. World class wrestlers are on another level. You can train takedowns for 20 years and still not catch up to these guys..

I think you are giving way too much credit to the difficulty of learning a good takedown defense, especially when you consider the level of athlete doing the learning. I'm starting to think that you are a fan of neither sport. The last couple of MMA events I saw includes some up and comers that had less than 3 years experience with MMA.

Both sports have, in their upper eschelon, some top level and even world class athletes. The difference is the level boxers attain in one dicipline, whereas with MMA you can get away and be successful with a cursory takedown defense, as long as you have another facet to your fight game that compensates for it.

[Genghis Con]

Kimbo did not get "KTFO", he competed, demolished Gannons face, but had stamina problems, which should be expected from someone who doesnt even do it as a sport. This fight kinda helps prove my point, a guy off the street with okay boxing skills beat up a mixed martial artist who competes in the sport, and as you pointed out even has a win. If Kimbo had any stamina he would have killed Gannon, i mean just look at the man's face after Kimbo got done with him.


And thanks for pointing that out too. Kimbo fighting a boxer, why not use boxing rules? The reason for that is because even an old out of shape boxer would probably have beat Kimbo. Kimbo took the time to learn a couple ground moves, submissions and was succesful. Why wouldnt Kimbo, being a bareknuckle boxer want boxing rules? The answer is because the skill level to be a proffesional boxer can't be taught in a few months, and going against even an old, fat ray mercer, Kimbo knows that.

The Kimbo vs Gannon fight was under boxing rules bro. Gannon woulda taken him down and subbed him in seconds if it were an MMA fight lol. Think about it...gannon is not even a striker and he still beat the "Boxer" at his own game.

He chose a boxer because if he chose a complete MMA can he woulda got the **** beat outta him.

Kimbo is not an MMA fighter, he doesnt have an MMA record. His fight with Mercer was a exhibition match againts a legend Boxer.

[Genghis Con]

Is it much harder to get a black belt in ju jitsu than to become a wba champion in boxing?
I'll take you up on that. If you train boxing for (i don't know how long it takes to get a black belt in bjj, but let's say 7 years) and you win yourself a wba belt, I'll gladly try to get a black belt in bjj in the same amount of time.

How's that?
That statement is close to the most ignorant thing I've ever read anywhere.
How many black belts in bjj exists?
Wanna know how many WBA champions who exist? 12.

So many champions in boxing you get a headache.

WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO champions in the past 10 years outnumbers the amount of BJJ black belts in the past 20 years by a landslide bro...

[tyson]

The Kimbo vs Gannon fight was under boxing rules bro. Gannon woulda taken him down and subbed him in seconds if it were an MMA fight lol. Think about it...gannon is not even a striker and he still beat the "Boxer" at his own game.

He chose a boxer because if he chose a complete MMA can he woulda got the **** beat outta him.

Kimbo is not an MMA fighter, he doesnt have an MMA record. His fight with Mercer was a exhibition match againts a legend Boxer.

Kimbo is no boxer. Mercer is no more than a tough guy who gave good fighters a tough fight. No legend there.

By your logic, you could get Fedor to face Klitschko in a no-gloved boxing match, and Fedor would win.
Do you actually believe yourself when you're talking?

[Genghis Con]

I think you are giving way too much credit to the difficulty of learning a good takedown defense, especially when you consider the level of athlete doing the learning. I'm starting to think that you are a fan of neither sport. The last couple of MMA events I saw includes some up and comers that had less than 3 years experience with MMA.

Both sports have, in their upper eschelon, some top level and even world class athletes. The difference is the level boxers attain in one dicipline, whereas with MMA you can get away and be successful with a cursory takedown defense, as long as you have another facet to your fight game that compensates for it.

Thats the difference between MMA and Boxing.

The #1 boxer is PBF and he's just that, a world class Boxer

The #1 MMA fighter in the world is Fedor Emelianenko and he's a World class Sambo Artists, World Class Judoka, World Class Jujitsu player and a solid striker.

Thats the biggest difference if u ask me

[raysan]

The Kimbo vs Gannon fight was under boxing rules bro. Gannon woulda taken him down and subbed him in seconds if it were an MMA fight lol. Think about it...gannon is not even a striker and he still beat the "Boxer" at his own game.

He chose a boxer because if he chose a complete MMA can he woulda got the **** beat outta him.

Kimbo is not an MMA fighter, he doesnt have an MMA record. His fight with Mercer was a exhibition match againts a legend Boxer.

The thing is Kimbo isnt a boxer either, he is a guy off the streets with limited boxing skills, nowhere close to a pro level skill set. Gannon is a professional fighter (MMA), and he had trouble with a guy who boxes in the street.

[Genghis Con]

Kimbo is no boxer. Mercer is no more than a tough guy who gave good fighters a tough fight. No legend there.

By your logic, you could get Fedor to face Klitschko in a no-gloved boxing match, and Fedor would win.
Do you actually believe yourself when you're talking?

Fedor would lose in a boxing match, I have said that all along. If Klitschko fought Cro Cop in a no glove Kickboxing match Klitschko would get demolished.
If he fought Fedor in a MMA match he would get demolished.

[jamesbrown]

Alot of MMA fighters are K-1 Kickboxing champions and Muay Thai Kickboxing champions.

Do some reasearch bro.

Dana White offered Mayweather $2o Mil up front + a PPV Bonus on Revenue to fight Sean Sherk since he's the #1 P4P Boxer in the history of Boxing and was calling out the UFC.

What happened? he would of made more money than he did for the DLH fight...

He woulda gotten demolished like a stuck pig in under 3 minutes..thats what happened...

That alone and the fact that PBF apologized is enough to prove that MMA fighters>>>Boxers...

u are worthless really
would u rather be a top mma fight and make 200,000+ a fight
or a top boxer and see 1,000,000+ a fight really
oh and Rampage credited his win over chuck to training with a "real boxing coach" and training with pro "boxers" get it straight

[Genghis Con]

The thing is Kimbo isnt a boxer either, he is a guy off the streets with limited boxing skills, nowhere close to a pro level skill set. Gannon is a professional fighter (MMA), and he had trouble with a guy who boxes in the street.

Gannon has a MMA record of 1-1, his win is over a guy whos 4-4 and lost to a guy whos 12-9.

In Gannon's MMA fights he shows he cannot stand and fight with anyone, he has some of the worst striking I've seen in the sport and he still beat Kimbo in a boxing match

[jamesbrown]

Thats the difference between MMA and Boxing.

The #1 boxer is PBF and he's just that, a world class Boxer

The #1 MMA fighter in the world is Fedor Emelianenko and he's a World class Sambo Artists, World Class Judoka, World Class Jujitsu player and a solid striker.

Thats the biggest difference if u ask me

no the difference is about 2-10 million dollars