How Has best talent Roy Jones or Floy Mayweather

[James78]

We could talk fantasy fights all night, make a thread about it if you want, then ill enter, i dont wanna drift off topic this time.

fair enough guy, i respect that. you're making some good points.

[Technical_Skill]

Your dicing words now. Define athlete...everyone will have a different definition. Thats your hand here...you get owned and try a different definition. Ever fought? Ever tried throwing ill combos backing up? Not that easy bruvah. They are flaws to you but only cuz you lack insight to the sport for whatever reason. Call it twinky addiction or being brain dead... call it whatever. You wanted to know about SRR in the last post so you got it. You got pwned and move on to something else. You argue like a woman.

Im not dicing anything, you havent made an ounce of sense since you entered the thread, this part of your post is no different, all i see is a talking ******a, you very sensitive, want me to lick your clit? you only gotta ask, otherwise here's a tampon, i hear the higher you insert it, the nicer the feeling

lol.

Dude what are you talking about. Ali mastered boxing.

The sparks have gone havent they?, someone get to two sticks and rub them together, quickly!

How can a fighter master boxing if they have beaten? no fighter has ever mastered boxing, all fighters have flaws, there are always things to learn.

Its an advantage if you've mastered the art and have the athletic ability to do these things. Is not a case of masking anything. I bet your one of these guys w/no education and never stepped in the ring. If you know its a mistake then the other guy will do something thats boxing 101...you know that and counter. Its called being a virtuoso.

So cos i havent stepped in the ring, i know nothing about boxing? then why the **** are you on a FORUM for discussion, if you cant accept difference of opinion without whining and moaning like a domestic abuse victim, you shouldnt be here.

lol.

No you shush about the ams'. Fighters fight differently in the ams vs. pros. Look @ Cotto in the ams...totalls different fighter and had skills present you wouldnt know he had today if you didnt see them.

In the end your a gibroni rehasher that makes claims but cant back it up in experience or knowledge. Stick to what you know...e.g. supertwink.com

Gibroni? so you try to emulate 'the rock', a 250 pound man who spends his nights wearing pants and pretending to be hurt, figures. lol.

Bet when you boxing you stamp your foot on the ground to make it sound like it was a heavy punch.

lol.

No need to be so defensive, its obviously that time of the month for you, someone get a cloth! she's bleeding all over my new carpet.

lol

[TKOsFinest]

Put it like this, if they were to fight in their primes at a equal weight RJJ wins easily.

[pbftxrs316]

Watch Jones in the ams. Totally different fighter. PBF throws one shot @ a time. That doesnt make you more skilled. Thats athleticism. RJJ put combos together w/the better speed and power. Ya he had athletic ability, but that wasnt his whole gig. Just watch the ams bruv.

floyd hasn't always thrown one punch at a time. he's thrown amazing combos with one hand sometimes too. like against, gerena, when he floyd threw a 4 punch uppercut and hook combo to him. against corley, floyd threw a lot of combos. floyd is just economical with his punch output. he knew he had brittle hands, so he chose his shots wisely, but a lot of that also had to do with the fact that his defense and offense were a tag team combination. floyd was always defensive even when he threw combos. floyd is a counterpuncher, so he waits to counter with his right hand or a left hook. floyd has thrown some beautiful combos in his past fights. floyd just fights smart, which is why he is more polished than roy, who was just talented but he did tend to look sloppy in the ring at times. roy was unorthodox, which is why it was hard for fighters to figure him out, but floyd, as far as natural skill, and learned craft, was just untouchable by anyone. floyd is also undefeated because of this too imo. he knew how to win fights with his defense and offensive. he could fight well off of the ropes, unlike roy, he could block effectively and then counterpunch well, unlike roy who could counterpunch great, but not off of the block like floyd could. i've seen fights where floyd blocked punches with his right hand and countered with the same hand right afterwards, that's a combination of brute skill and talent. roy was just gifted with the tools he had, and used them well, but floyd was more versatile with his style, because he knew more ways to beat you than roy did imo. again, don't misquote me, roy was a monster, actually on eof my favorite fighters in history, but truth be told, skillwise in defense, smart offense, and overall smarts, roy doesn't hold a candle to floyd. floyd had the best defense since pernell whitaker and toney. roy looked better as far as throwing his punches than roy did. roy has more knockouts and more power, but floyd was more economical with his style, thus staying unbeaten in the process.

talent-wise, no fighter i've seen matches roy jones
skillwise, floyd is the opitimy of a skill master, and skills in this case, overshadows talent.

[pbftxrs316]

Put it like this, if they were to fight in their primes at a equal weight RJJ wins easily.

bull**** if you think this. this is crappy thinking on your part. who knows who would win, but i'll tell you if roy throws sloppy punches like he could sometimes, he'll get caught easily by floyd. floyd threw sharper looking punches, and better timed.

[CoLd_WaVE]

bull**** if you think this. this is crappy thinking on your part. who knows who would win, but i'll tell you if roy throws sloppy punches like he could sometimes, he'll get caught easily by floyd. floyd threw sharper looking punches, and better timed.

you suck floyd's ****... therefore you're not credible....

Roy was more talented... Floyd, on the other hand was the better boxer/technician....

[GooGoo]

floyd mayweather

[Benny Leonard]

Sorry big fella, but losing muscle weight isn't going to "catch up" to you 6 months later. If it was going to hurt RJJ it was going to hurt him in the 1st Tarver fight much more than the 2nd or 3rd. I'm not denying that RJJ came back a different fighter after Ruiz, but it also proves that without his super athletic ability he wasn't anywhere near a great boxer. Without having freakish athletic ability, RJJ was a good but not great boxer.

Floyd doesn't throw Combinations for a couple reasons. One is that if he breaks his hands then he has to fight with one hand, so he wins rounds and takes his victory. Another is that he is fighting guys who are much bigger and stronger than him, so why would he give his opponents longer to hit him by standing and throwing multiple punches? For your entertainment? I doubt that matters much to him as much as staying undefeated. Its about winning and thats what he does.

It really depends:

I have been reading a variety of articles/reports and talking to people about the effects of "shock" and balance to the endocrine system.


Take Roy: I agree that it would definitely hurt him in the first fight if any fight, but we also have to consider that maybe his endocrine system was never able to recover from the tremendous stress he put on himself to lose the muscle weight (which is a different approach than when losing fat).


Roy may have been cutting out meals, cutting out the valuable need of Proteins, Fat, and Carbs to keep your endocrine system balanced.
Roy said himself in an interview that he was killing himself with roadwork to lose the weight, and maybe quite possibly he was cutting meals to make sure he was going to lose the weight.


If you are going to increase muscle, spike your hormone levels (by "natural means) you are going to have to increase your food intake, especially good "fat" like Olive oil in order to elevate testosterone levels, plus more rest.



If you are a male in your mid-30s, the chances are that your hormones are slowly on the decline, although a well-trained athlete should be able to keep his hormones high for a longer period than a "normal Joe” should, or so I suspect.


Therefore, if you go from that type of routine to a routine that is opposite, I suspect that it will "shock" your endocrine system from the stress or a possible higher increase of the stress hormone cortisol, which has negative effects on the body.


Just think of the effects you hear from fighters trying to make weight in which they are cutting fat (not muscle); you hear a lot of times that they say the lost because they felt “Flat” and it is obvious most of the time when you see the fighter look lethargic.

The Older you are the harder it is to recover.

How many times have we seen an athlete in his 30's, in many sports, all of a sudden diminish in his athletic talent.


Roy always had an ego and with that ego, it was pushing him to get a second fight, despite the possibility that he may have not fully recovered. This is all speculation, but judging by the way Roy seemingly could not move his legs like he used to, might be an indication that he was basically “shot” or on his way.


However, hey, I am not a Doctor, only have read articles/reports/studies written by Doctors that are continually researching such things. There may also be a definitive study out there that proves or disproves my "speculation" so if anybody has that, feel free to post a response and I will gladly read and take note with appreciation.

without his super athletic ability he wasn't anywhere near a great boxer. Without having freakish athletic ability, RJJ was a good but not great boxer.

I think it was Mike McCallum that stated that if Roy would only utilize his jab more that he would have an easy time with anybody he fought.

I am not sure how much his trainer(s) taught him the "Art" of boxing, but one would think someone like Roy, who has been around the sport a long time, would use the great weapon of the jab and also keep his guard up.

Maybe he just was not taught, especially to the level of the guarded care of Floyd Jr., and because of that, Roy's repetition of not doing what he was supposed to be doing (following “the book”), but getting away with it, built on his ego that he did not have to follow certain techniques by the book. We could compare Roy Jones Jr. with Muhammad Ali in this regard, although at least Ali loved to use the jab.

Floyd doesn't throw Combinations for a couple reasons. One is that if he breaks his hands then he has to fight with one hand, so he wins rounds and takes his victory. Another is that he is fighting guys who are much bigger and stronger than him, so why would he give his opponents longer to hit him by standing and throwing multiple punches? For your entertainment? I doubt that matters much to him as much as staying undefeated. Its about winning and thats what he does

Agree. I have also stated this as well.

Floyd hurts his hand in every fight or at least the fights he is not allowed to wear the "Winning" brand gloves.

Fighting "bigger" fighters is also a concern for a "smaller" fighter so one must fight with a bit more caution.

[hemichromis]

roy jones is easilt the best he practically invented a new effective style of boxing using feints and draws to open people up than using his speed and power to knock them out


mayweather is quick and a damn good boxer but he isn;t that special

[hello2007]

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