How Has best talent Roy Jones or Floy Mayweather

[THe TRiNiTY]

Athleticism is part of what talent is. If we're talking natural talent.

You can't teach athleticism. You can teach someone a talent. It said BEST talent.. not NATURAL talent.

[Sweet Pete]

You can't teach athleticism. You can teach someone a talent. It said BEST talent.. not NATURAL talent.

Well, I'd rather not go against myself, but there is a difference between talent and skill.

To Antonim, I am going against myself here, but still against what you said.

[Sweet Pete]

NO PETE.YOU DROVE ME AROUND IN CIRCLES THAT'S WHAT YOU DID.THE ONLY ONE THAT DISAGREES FLOYD IS A TOP 5 TALENT IS YOU.THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE CONSENSUS ON THIS FORUM.

You have to be joking.

[Super_Lightweight]

It doesn't really count to Jones' disadvantage that he did things untextbook. Besides, there is no textbook on how to properly box. One guy may be a bruiser and win a fight 120-108. Another guy may be a counter-punching speedster and win 116-112. I take the guy who's more dominant all day.

The point is, Roy's 'bad habits' don't really count against him because they helped him. His awkward moves and speed allowed him to take advantage of an opponent. Now for someone like Andre Ward or Jermain Taylor, or an OLD Roy Jones, you may say these things count against them...holding your hand down.

But Roy in his prime was more impressive than Floyd will ever be.

[Super_Lightweight]

We can make another thread about heart, but at least as much as Floyd did. Roy would have never fought De La Hoya the way Floyd did.

[Knicksman20]

Mayweather has the greater talent and more heart. Jones' appeal was that he turned ordinary good fighters into Harlem GlobeTrotter shows. Mayweather is a true blue prizefighter. If Robinson was alive today, he'd be more comfortable endorsing Mayweather than Jones as being superior.

I'm not so sure about that Asian. I'd like to know the Ice Man's opinion on Jones Jr.'s talent compared to Mayweather's.

[Jim Jeffries]

We can make another thread about heart, but at least as much as Floyd did. Roy would have never fought De La Hoya the way Floyd did.

An old DLH with one fight in three years.......Yawn. Roy's venture into heavyweight is MUCH more impressive.

[Mr. Ryan]

I'm not so sure about that Asian. I'd like to know the Ice Man's opinion on Jones Jr.'s talent compared to Mayweather's.

I'm talking about Mayweather's technical skill which enabled him to look exceptional against exceptional competition. Roy Jones was great against guys like Clinton Woods and Richard Hall, stand up brawlers with a lot of target to hit. Against Tarver and Eric Harding, Jones was a bust.

Which styles have made Mayweather look ugly in a fight? None. Why? Because Mayweather was better able to adapt whereas Jones' style was about being the faster gun. Jones was the superior athlete, superior probably to any other fighter. But he lacked the ability to steal the show against a scientific fighter.

Also, Jones has glass in his mandible. Mayweather is pretty solid.

[superchamp]

I'm talking about Mayweather's technical skill which enabled him to look exceptional against exceptional competition. Roy Jones was great against guys like Clinton Woods and Richard Hall, stand up brawlers with a lot of target to hit. Against Tarver and Eric Harding, Jones was a bust.

umm...was he a bust against Hopkins and Toney?

[Knicksman20]

I'm talking about Mayweather's technical skill which enabled him to look exceptional against exceptional competition. Roy Jones was great against guys like Clinton Woods and Richard Hall, stand up brawlers with a lot of target to hit. Against Tarver and Eric Harding, Jones was a bust.

Which styles have made Mayweather look ugly in a fight? None. Why? Because Mayweather was better able to adapt whereas Jones' style was about being the faster gun. Jones was the superior athlete, superior probably to any other fighter. But he lacked the ability to steal the show against a scientific fighter.

Also, Jones has glass in his mandible. Mayweather is pretty solid.

He looked pretty good against James Toney who's pretty technical himself. He pitched a shutout with 2 knockdowns against Reggie Johnson who gave Tarver a tough SD fight years later. KO'ed Griffin in spectacular fashion. He broke Virgil Hills ribs & KO'ed him with a single body punch. He toyed with Julio Cesar Gonzalez in a lopsided decision (knocking him down a couple times) who won a piece of the Light Heavy crown by beating Darius M. That's what I can name off the top of my head. I think the glass jaw thing is debatable. I mean it's not like he didn't get hit from his opponents.