How Has best talent Roy Jones or Floy Mayweather

[boxingfan4life]

I say Roy Jones because he did a better job at making guys look bad than floyd. He also was more blood thirsty and willing to fight also. In his prime he always gave the audience their money's worth. I'm not saying floyd is not good either but he's just too boring. He's more worried about getting his face scratched than anything. That doesn't sound like a true boxing champion to me.

[McNulty]

Oh what a night, Was celebrating another Champions league win for italy, (no im not italian, long story)

Now to boxing.

I havent seen enough of SRR to make anywhere near a vaild comment on the individual skill set he had,

As for the above, talking about 13 punch combos and a chin of steel has nothing to do with a fighters Skill set.

Heres an example, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, Jones was a talented Athlete, Mayweather is a talented boxer.

Jones made some serious errors everytime he fought, errors that were masked by his superb condition and reflexes, Now Jones is a legend and an all time great, but his skill set was lacking at times, and his reflexes left him, its the reason he got knocked out stone cold twice.

Roy Jones

1) Ropes: Was shocking on the ropes, didnt have the ability to slip off the ropes, instead he would allow himself to be cornered and fire counter shots back, his defense coming off the ropes was poor also, hands down leaving himself open, of course, at his peak, his reflexes accounted for that, look at both his KO losses to Johnson and Tarver, where was he? Coming off the ropes i believe. (think thats correct), thats no coincidence.

The point is, bad boxing technique can be masked by reflexes, and before you know it you fight with the same basic mistakes in your skill set for many years, its incredibly difficult to change that, eventually, you get ''exposed'' when the reflexes dont mask your bad technique and you are vunerable to a beating.

Mayweather doesnt just rely on reflexes, when he gets older, he will just turn into James Toney (in terms of style).

It takes talent to be skilled, you think Mayweather picked up that skill set overnight? thats called being a talented boxer, Mayweather is by far the most talented boxer of modern times in my opinion,

What Roy Jones was, (as well as being a great unorthodox boxer)was a talented athlete, in the end all athletes lose their athleticism, Jones lost his and his skills were exposed.

Great Fighter Though.

Watch Jones in the ams. Totally different fighter. PBF throws one shot @ a time. That doesnt make you more skilled. Thats athleticism. RJJ put combos together w/the better speed and power. Ya he had athletic ability, but that wasnt his whole gig. Just watch the ams bruv.

RJJ lost his **** cuz he was playing w/muscle weight. He lost 25 pounds of MUSCLE [not fat] weight before Tarver 1 in 3 months and still one. It caught up w/him in part 2...hence the KO and fought Johnson 3 months later. A known no-no when you git KO'd. Which leads to nerve damage. Thats why he got KO'd. Hes taken bigger shots than Tarvers. Isnt there a thing now where you cant fight for @ least 6 months after getting KO'd? Gaha.

Lets talk SRR to shut you up. Dude practically invented the check hook...which is PBF's bread and butter. SRR's jab smoked PBF's. The way SRR moved and hit those angles on his jab. Come on. PBF just dont do it w/the grace SRR did. SRR was small and had giant power. Know why? Cuz he mastered boxing. Your just not born w/power w/SRR's body type. PBf doesnt have anywhere close to SRR's power. SRR KO'd Fullmer w/a single left hook. Dude was tough as ****. Better chin than anyone today in boxing and never got KO'd again in his career. PBF cant crack an egg @ his weight now. Tyson had natural power....15 years old and 190 raw muscle. Foreman had natural power. Get the point? Skill makes power when you have a small body type.

SRR could fight backing up throwing ill combos. PBF never does it.
PBF is 75% reflexes. You think he could land those check hooks all night and the right hand leads w/the bob back into position w/out his body? Dude trains every single day. Its called reflexes.

You dont know what the your talking about and you write like a novel sized reply. You say PBF is more skilled than SRR but dont even know anything about SRR. You say you know RJJ but dont even know how he got KO'd by Tarver. BTW they traded hooks and RJJ's was blocked. You prolly never seen all of RJJ's ams fights that are out there. Do some research before you write novel sized replies. Tarverhad his eyes closed. Look @ the training RJJ was doing w/Mackie Shillstone. Thats how you get his skills...training. If you saw RJJ.Ajamu you saw a different RJj than we've ever seen. No right hand leads and no check hooks. He threw tons of jabs and alot of body shots. Its called skill!

Reiterating...once you have mastered boxing and in top-top shape you can do things that are often referred to as "mistakes" cuz its an advantage. I garuntee you that you'll never find a gym that teaches the check hook. Cuz you can git dropped if you dont do it right. Same thing w/Ali-esque lean backs. He mastered the art...watch any Cassius era fights and you'll see it. Theres different tech for different levels of ability. Get out of the suburbs you hillbilly hee-haw and smarten up.

[Technical_Skill]

So much agression, and for little reason too, i bet when you cum you produce blood instead of *****, relax too much tension can have adverse effects.

lol.

Watch Jones in the ams. Totally different fighter. PBF throws one shot @ a time. That doesnt make you more skilled. Thats athleticism. RJJ put combos together w/the same speed and power, if not faster. Ya he had athletic ability, but that wasnt his whole gig. Just watch the ams bruv.

One shot at time isnt athleticsm?, so a fighter has to throw many combinations to be considered athletic? lol, i dont think so and no i didnt say roy jones never had skills, i said he has basic flaws in his skill set, none of which you adress, instead i see all this rubbish about Sugar Ray Robinson, which has nothing to do with Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather.

Thats what im talking about, skill set, nothing else, your talking about something else. haha.

RJJ lost his **** cuz he was playing w/muscle weight. He lost 25 pounds of MUSCLE [not fat] weight before Tarver 1 in 3 months and still one. It caught up w/him in part 2...hence the KO and fought Johnson 3 months later. A known no-no when you git KO'd. Which leads to nerve damage. Thats why he got KO'd. Hes taken bigger shots than Tarvers. Isnt there a thing now where you cant fight for @ least 6 months after getting KO'd? Gaha.

What the **** has this got to do with skill sets? lol. Yes your right, and your prove my point, jones lost his reflexes, thus his basic flaws were exposed, again you failed to answer any of my points, lol.

Lmao @ your scientific explaination of nerve damage, thanks for the evaluation doctor Nick Rivera, next time i wanna talk skill sets, ill keep that in mind.

Let me also be the first to tell you if roy jones was half as defensive as you are, he'd probably be the best fighter ever. lol.

Reiterating...once you have mastered boxing and in top-top shape you can do things that are often referred to as "mistakes" cuz its an advantage. I garuntee you that you'll never find a gym that teaches the check hook. Cuz you can git dropped if you dont do it right. Same thing w/Ali-esque lean backs. He mastered the art...watch any Cassius era fights and you'll see it. Theres different tech for different levels of ability. Get out of the suburbs and smarten up.

No fighter has ever completely mastered the art, Cassius clay/ Ali got beat by Joe Frazier and had his jaw broken by Ken Norton, dont tell me he mastered the art lol.

How is it an advantage to make mistakes?, what are you on about dude? yes Jones was unorthodox, but his basic flaws were maksed by his reflexes, what happened when he lost his reflexes?

Oh yeah, He got KTFO twice in a row. lol

Watch Jones in the ams. Totally different fighter. PBF throws one shot @ a time. That doesnt make you more skilled. Thats athleticism. RJJ put combos together w/the same speed and power, if not faster. Ya he had athletic ability, but that wasnt his whole gig. Just watch the ams bruv.

Shhh about the 'Ams' its not the same a professional boxing fight, and if you cant work out the reasons why, you really shouldnt be quoting me on boxing scene.

So thats my opinion, live with it, i didnt attack you once in my earlier post so no need for your vagina to bleed all over my keyboard. lol.

Jones has flaws, every fighter does, but he was a great, no denying that.

[ThaHorseman]

Sorry big fella, but losing muscle weight isn't going to "catch up" to you 6 months later. If it was going to hurt RJJ it was going to hurt him in the 1st Tarver fight much more than the 2nd or 3rd. I'm not denying that RJJ came back a different fighter after Ruiz, but it also proves that without his super athletic ability he wasn't anywhere near a great boxer. Without having freakish athletic ability, RJJ was a good but not great boxer.

Floyd doesn't throw Combinations for a couple reasons. One is that if he breaks his hands then he has to fight with one hand, so he wins rounds and takes his victory. Another is that he is fighting guys who are much bigger and stronger than him, so why would he give his opponents longer to hit him by standing and throwing multiple punches? For your entertainment? I doubt that matters much to him as much as staying undefeated. Its about winning and thats what he does.

[Technical_Skill]

Sorry big fella, but losing muscle weight isn't going to "catch up" to you 6 months later. If it was going to hurt RJJ it was going to hurt him in the 1st Tarver fight much more than the 2nd or 3rd. I'm not denying that RJJ came back a different fighter after Ruiz, but it also proves that without his super athletic ability he wasn't anywhere near a great boxer. Without having freakish athletic ability, RJJ was a good but not great boxer.

Floyd doesn't throw Combinations for a couple reasons. One is that if he breaks his hands then he has to fight with one hand, so he wins rounds and takes his victory. Another is that he is fighting guys who are much bigger and stronger than him, so why would he give his opponents longer to hit him by standing and throwing multiple punches? For your entertainment? I doubt that matters much to him as much as staying undefeated. Its about winning and thats what he does.

I dont know what he's on about, lol. Horseman have your ever noticed Mayweather doesnt throw the jab often in fights? De La Hoya was the last big fight when i saw mayweather consistently use a jab, its nothing to with him not being athletic, its about not giving his opponent the ablility to counter, especially when you fight a southpaw.

[James78]

Are you serious?


What Sugar ray robinson fights have you seen?

Please list them all, with a technical discription of what skills he had that mayweather didnt,

lol.

Dwarf mayweather my ass, he got his ass beat by friggin jake lamotta.

No Ali skill for skill is not better than mayweather, as fighter, thats another arguement, we are talking about skill sets here.

Mayweather's skill set is the most complete ive ever seen, thats all i can say.

Friggin Jake LaMotta? are you sayin Jake wasn't good? If Jake was around now Floyd would be ****tin himself and avoiding him like the plague, he'd hit floyd so hard his lips would be his new eyebrows.

[Technical_Skill]

Friggin Jake LaMotta? are you sayin Jake wasn't good? If Jake was around now Floyd would be ****tin himself and avoiding him like the plague, he'd hit floyd so hard his lips would be his new eyebrows.

Was Jake La Motta a skilled fighter?

Just asking. lol.

[James78]

Was Jake La Motta a skilled fighter?

Just asking. lol.

lol fair point but does Floyd like pressure fighters? was jake tough enough to take his shots, did he hit hard? just asking lol

[McNulty]

One shot at time isnt athleticsm?, so a fighter has to throw many combinations to be considered athletic? lol, i dont think so and no i didnt say roy jones never had skills, i said he has basic flaws in his skill set, none of which you adress, instead i see all this rubbish about Sugar Ray Robinson, which has nothing to do with Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather..

Your dicing words now. Define athlete...everyone will have a different definition. Thats your hand here...you get owned and try a different definition. Ever fought? Ever tried throwing ill combos backing up? Not that easy bruvah. They are flaws to you but only cuz you lack insight to the sport for whatever reason. Call it twinky addiction or being brain dead... call it whatever. You wanted to know about SRR in the last post so you got it. You got pwned and move on to something else. You argue like a woman.

What the **** has this got to do with skill sets? lol. Yes your right, and your prove my point, jones lost his reflexes, thus his basic flaws were exposed, again you failed to answer any of my points, lol.

If you watch his ams fights you'll see how he mastered your gay 'skill sets'. Dude its called skills...not sets. *fart

No fighter has ever completely mastered the art, Cassius clay/ Ali got beat by Joe Frazier and had his jaw broken by Ken Norton, dont tell me he mastered the art lol.

Dude what are you talking about. Ali mastered boxing. Cassius Clay proves it. So what he lost to those guys. Ali was old when Norton handed him his ass. Frazier got 1 win in so ****ing what? If you lose your reflexes your skills dont diminish. Whats so hard about understanding that? Ever hear the old timers say "I can see them coming but i just cant move?" They still have the skills but they arent quick enough anymore to respond to them.

How is it an advantage to make mistakes?, what are you on about dude? yes Jones was unorthodox, but his basic flaws were maksed by his reflexes, what happened when he lost his reflexes?

Its an advantage if you've mastered the art and have the athletic ability to do these things. Is not a case of masking anything. I bet your one of these guys w/no education and never stepped in the ring. If you know its a mistake then the other guy will do something thats boxing 101...you know that and counter. Its called being a virtuoso.

Shhh about the 'Ams' its not the same a professional boxing fight, and if you cant work out the reasons why, you really shouldnt be quoting me on boxing scene.

No you shush about the ams'. Fighters fight differently in the ams vs. pros. Look @ Cotto in the ams...totalls different fighter and had skills present you wouldnt know he had today if you didnt see them. You'de think Cotto was one dimensional if not seeing his ams fights.

In the end your a gibroni rehasher that makes claims but cant back it up in experience or knowledge. Stick to what you know...e.g. supertwink.com

[Technical_Skill]

lol fair point but does Floyd like pressure fighters? was jake tough enough to take his shots, did he hit hard? just asking lol

We could talk fantasy fights all night, make a thread about it if you want, then ill enter, i dont wanna drift off topic this time.