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I'm talking about his unorthodox style.. thats y its called unorthodox, its his own style...I mean what boxer conventionally leaves his left hand low to his knees?..arm swinging like an elephant trunk...who does that? and why would u teach such a thing?...only Roy...and his reflexes were out of this world...
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I'm talking about his unorthodox style.. thats y its called unorthodox, its his own style...I mean what boxer conventionally leaves his left hand low to his knees?..arm swinging like an elephant trunk...who does that? and why would u teach such a thing?...only Roy...and his reflexes were out of this world...Last edited by RisAri0; 05-23-2007, 11:52 PM. -
its called counter-punching, not unorthodox. You can call it unorthodox if ya like, cuz counter punching as a style is not conventional. The reason the left hand is low [Philly shell...PBF, etc] is because its a lure to set traps/counter. Its hard to see the hook coming and you can catch better angles. Its not widely taught for the same reason counter punching is not a style thats traditionally taught. Your seeing more of it now. Its just new, as a complete style.
I was never taught it but I learned it from watching his fights and when you git it down its a great weapon [the low left]. If you notice he doesnt do it much against southpaws. Theres a reason for it. The jab is too close and he keeps it [his left]high so he can peck the jab. A guy will think he can catch you w/the right if its down but you already know that and got weapons for it. When you catch them w/hooks from that angle it takes the fight out of them. Which is widely seen in his fights. Guys just quit throwing punches cuz they dont see how their getting hit. I could go on and on about this but will stop here for now. Any more tech questions just holla.Last edited by McNulty; 05-23-2007, 11:57 PM.Comment
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mayweather isnt even comparable to roy jones.Comment
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I've seen and own every single SRR fight thats on film, even a few amatuer fights. There was other circumstances as to why he lost. He didnt fight for a few months and wasnt in shape/underestimated Jake's integrity. I'll dig up the archives and give the exact reason if ya want, cant remeber exactly off the top of mah head.
When SRR turned pro he fought 3 times out of every month and took the 4th week off. He didnt fight for months before Jake. He also whipped his ass five times after and had Lamotta in the most trouble hes ever been in in part 6. Also, SRR didnt lose again until 8 years after that fight. The only reason he lost then [Turpin] cuz he came off a european tour that had him fighting 6 fights in 5 weeks. Dude was exhausted.
SRR skills were beyond PBF. For one he could throw 13+ punch combos right in front of you and had a chin of steel. I could go on more buts its late.Last edited by McNulty; 05-24-2007, 12:14 AM.Comment
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I've never seen another fighter with as much natural talent and ability as Roy Jones. Youd could say though, that Floyd is more economical with his talent.Comment
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Took the words right out of me I totally agreeComment
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Oh what a night, Was celebrating another Champions league win for italy, (no im not italian, long story)
Now to boxing.
I havent seen enough of SRR to make anywhere near a vaild comment on the individual skill set he had,
As for the above, talking about 13 punch combos and a chin of steel has nothing to do with a fighters Skill set.
Heres an example, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, Jones was a talented Athlete, Mayweather is a talented boxer.
Jones made some serious errors everytime he fought, errors that were masked by his superb condition and reflexes, Now Jones is a legend and an all time great, but his skill set was lacking at times, and his reflexes left him, its the reason he got knocked out stone cold twice.
Roy Jones
1) Ropes: Was shocking on the ropes, didnt have the ability to slip off the ropes, instead he would allow himself to be cornered and fire counter shots back, his defense coming off the ropes was poor also, hands down leaving himself open, of course, at his peak, his reflexes accounted for that, look at both his KO losses to Johnson and Tarver, where was he? Coming off the ropes i believe. (think thats correct), thats no coincidence.
2) Unbalanced Leads: Too unblanced sometimes when he would dive in with right hands lead and left hooks from all angles, left himself wide open for counters, again his reflexes accounted for that, and he was able to get away with it, evenutually you will get caught coming in and get knocked down tho, its bad boxing technique.
3) Backfoot: Jones was dodgy when he was rushed onto the back foot at times also, to be honest, most fighters are, but i dont think he was slick enough, he would just hold his hand high rather than slip and counter as often as he should have.
The point is, bad boxing technique can be masked by reflexes, and before you know it you fight with the same basic mistakes in your skill set for many years, its incredibly difficult to change that, eventually, you get ''exposed'' when the reflexes dont mask your bad technique and you are vunerable to a beating.
Why do you think James Toney could go on to beat guys at heavyweight without being knocked out?
Because toney's technique doesnt rely as much on reflexes, he knows one day those will fail him, his style is based around slipping blocking and being skilled at boxing basics, thus the reason he was able to fight at a higher level longer than Jones. How do you think a 250 pound fat dude is so hard to hit? Technique.
Ring Magazine once did an excellent feature on mayweather VS roy jones, someone commented along the lines of,
Mayweather doesnt just rely on reflexes, when he gets older, he will just turn into James Toney (in terms of style).
It takes talent to be skilled, you think Mayweather picked up that skill set overnight? thats called being a talented boxer, Mayweather is by far the most talented boxer of modern times in my opinion,
What Roy Jones was, (as well as being a great unorthodox boxer)was a talented athlete, in the end all athletes lose their athleticism, Jones lost his and his skills were exposed.
Great Fighter Though.Last edited by Technical_Skill; 05-24-2007, 06:06 AM.Comment
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roy jones jr for me. if they had the same weight & height, roy jones jr would kick pbf's ass!Comment
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well RJJ in his prime way more exciting to watch, both HOF i would have to say RJJ at his best is the more talented but Pretty Boy's discipline is a lot better can't see Mayweather being KTFO like RJJ was.Comment
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