Roy Jones Jr: "I'll Fight Joe Calzaghe in July"

[.Mik.]

Sorry...what? If he hit Manfredo 20 times flush, then why the **** are people complaining about it being a premature stoppage?

The reason people complained is because most of those shots were off the gloves and Joe had barely even started throwing (that was his first real big combination).

Some of you guys talk some utter ****.

Joe still has more than enough power to knock RJJ out, clean.

[Exige Jr]

A decently prepared Jones can still beat Calzaghe now. I dont really rate Calzaghe massively. Respect to his achievements which you might say have surpassed Jones', for instance. 10 Year champ, undefeated...

But still Jones just has the style to beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe is quick but Jones could be quicker if he trains right, even now.

[.Mik.]

The thing about Calzaghe is, nobody knows what other level he has to go to. Since the Reid fight (where he broke his hand) nobody has ever really seen him in any kind of real trouble...in fact, in his career he's never really been in any kind of REAL trouble. The only time he's had to step it up since he hit his peak was against Lacy and even there, it was painfully obvious after a few rounds just how easily he would outclass Lacy.

People have seen Jones at his absolute best in very tough fights. I dont think that we've even seen Calzaghe hit that level yet.

[kericuss]

A decently prepared Jones can still beat Calzaghe now. I dont really rate Calzaghe massively. Respect to his achievements which you might say have surpassed Jones', for instance. 10 Year champ, undefeated...

But still Jones just has the style to beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe is quick but Jones could be quicker if he trains right, even now.

If they fight now i give the edge to Jones. Reason why--motivation! Last fight he was motivated for was the Ruiz fight and he whitewashed the much bigger man. The Tarver fights reminded me of the Forrest/Mosely fights. Sometimes the style(in this case length and southpaw) that the fighter has causes problems. But Joe is not tall and lanky like Tarver, therefore RJ could reach him more easily. lets not forget, RJ only pot shotted opponents b/c they were afraid to open up against him for fear of his power and quickness. Joe would be an easy target for Jones to hit b/c he is constantly opened up. A good fight for the first three rounds then RJ cruises to a UD!

[Technical_Skill]

On the day of the fight against RJJ, THAT James Toney was virtually dead. He had to lose too much weight, had been ill, had been hospitalized the evening before the fight. The Joe Calzaghe that Roy Jones Junior were to fight would be a more credible opponent than THAT James Toney.




The fact that Reid actually got the hometown decision in that fight is what made it controversial. The other two judges gave much MUCH more credible scores. And that was where Calzaghe broke his hand early into the match. If you dont see the fight, why comment?

First of all, ill comment on whatever i like thank you very much,

Second of all all i said was reid contested the decision (which he did repeatedly during his BBC contract) and JC Should have given him a rematch, which you dont need to see the fight to work out, unless you think the guys JC fought like Friggin ashira were better than Robin Reid lol.

And lastly, ok Joe calzaghe is better than a weight drained toney, what does that mean? lol, and you clearly implied JC was better than toney and hopkins in that ERA imo, which is possibly why it took you about 12 hours to answer a simple question.lol

If Joe Calzaghe was half as defensive as you are, no question Joe would beat a prime roy jones lol.

I know you are a JC fan, but dont be a cheerleader to the point you cant accept there are better fighters out there than JC, cos thats when you go from being a fan, to a fan-boy.

Joe Calzaghe has never shown anything to suggest he was better than a prime roy jones,

Joe Calzaghe HAS shown enough to suggest that if they fought now, he would probably win.

It's a fair comment.

[.Mik.]

First of all, ill comment on whatever i like thank you very much,

Second of all all i said was reid contested the decision (which he did repeatedly during his BBC contract) and JC Should have given him a rematch, which you dont need to see the fight to work out, unless you think the guys JC fought like Friggin ashira were better than Robin Reid lol.

And lastly, ok Joe calzaghe is better than a weight drained toney, what does that mean? lol, and you clearly implied JC was better than toney and hopkins in that ERA imo, which is possibly why it took you about 12 hours to answer a simple question.lol

If Joe Calzaghe was half as defensive as you are, no question Joe would beat a prime roy jones lol.

I know you are a JC fan, but dont be a cheerleader to the point you cant accept there are better fighters out there than JC, cos thats when you go from being a fan, to a fan-boy.

Joe Calzaghe has never shown anything to suggest he was better than a prime roy jones,

Joe Calzaghe HAS shown enough to suggest that if they fought now, he would probably win.

It's a fair comment.

You are phenomenally obnoxious, so allow me to explain this to you one...last...time and see whether you will allow something to sink in that wasnt already in your head to begin with.

1). Reid did not deserve to win the match. He said so himself. The two independent judges said so too...by a strong magin. However, Reid was the hometown boy and the judge who scored him was the hometown judge. Calzaghe competently outpointed him, the only reason that the ONE judge out of three scored it the way he did was because of the fact that he was swayed by a very pro-Reid crowd. I know this because I watched the fight independently at the time, being a fan of neither fighter. Of course Reid called for a rematch, there was lots of money in it. You know, Jeff Lacy was calling for a rematch with Calzaghe before he tore his rotator cuff, he claimed that Joe hadnt seen the proper Lacy. Is he deserving of a rematch too? Was that decision a controversial one too?

Fact of boxing is that lots of rematches arent offered. Lewis didnt offer many, but always got one if he lost. Perhaps you ought to invest some energy in criticising him...or Maywhether, he doesnt offer too many either.

The simple fact is that Joe Calzaghe beat Reid, two judges scored it comfortable, Reid admitted it and Calzaghe fought most of the fight with a broken arm. Perhaps he, or Frank Warren didnt see the point in having a rematch as the result was not in any doubt. If you look at Reid after the fight, he was much more cut and swollen than a Calzaghe who barely seemed to have taken any punishment.

Whats more, if you havent seen a fight, then you ****ing well should not be commenting on whether the result of the fight was contentious or not. That means that you're basing all of your argument on the opinions of others. Why should I accept that to be a legitimate argument? It isnt even yours. There is no need to get defensive and immature about it "Dont tell me what I cant do...I'll say what I want waaaah waaaah", you just shouldnt do it. It makes your argument weak.

My point about RJJ's competition was always that Joe Calzaghe MAY HAVE POSSIBLY (note I do not speak in absolutes and certainties, those are signs of a 'fan-boy', I am merely a fan) been better competition than the fighters that Roy Jones Junior. OF COURSE that means the fighters he fought AT THE TIME. It would be utterly ridiculous if I meant their career in general. Do I think that Danny Williams was better than Lennox Lewis because he got rid of Tyson in quicker time? Do I think that Kevin McBride was a better fighter than Tyson? Of course I do.

To assume that when I say Calzaghe MAY HAVE POSSIBLY been a more legitimate fighter if Jones were to beat him at any time during his prime (Joe's prime) over a Hopkins who was not an especially great fighter at the time and a James Toney who was dreadfully ill on the day of the fight, I mean taking into account their career achievements is ridiculous. Jones didnt fight them throughout their career, so what difference does that make to their individual fight with Jones when they were both not anywhere close to the 'best' form that they achieved afterwards?

Now, you'll have to excuse me for my slow response. But rather than judge that as an indication of my lack of argument, perhaps you'd be better suited (and appear much less like a moronic child) if you were to realise that some people dont sit at their computers all day itching at the opportunity to engage in boxing debate. I have a social life I like to indulge in and I also have a bed that I like to sleep in. Those two things should quite easily take account of the 12 hours it took me to respond, you idiot.

[Technical_Skill]

You are phenomenally obnoxious, so allow me to explain this to you one...last...time and see whether you will allow something to sink in that wasnt already in your head to begin with.

1). Reid did not deserve to win the match. He said so himself. The two independent judges said so too...by a strong magin. However, Reid was the hometown boy and the judge who scored him was the hometown judge. Calzaghe competently outpointed him, the only reason that the ONE judge out of three scored it the way he did was because of the fact that he was swayed by a very pro-Reid crowd. I know this because I watched the fight independently at the time, being a fan of neither fighter. Of course Reid called for a rematch, there was lots of money in it. You know, Jeff Lacy was calling for a rematch with Calzaghe before he tore his rotator cuff, he claimed that Joe hadnt seen the proper Lacy. Is he deserving of a rematch too? Was that decision a controversial one too?

Fact of boxing is that lots of rematches arent offered. Lewis didnt offer many, but always got one if he lost. Perhaps you ought to invest some energy in criticising him...or Maywhether, he doesnt offer too many either.

The simple fact is that Joe Calzaghe beat Reid, two judges scored it comfortable, Reid admitted it and Calzaghe fought most of the fight with a broken arm. Perhaps he, or Frank Warren didnt see the point in having a rematch as the result was not in any doubt. If you look at Reid after the fight, he was much more cut and swollen than a Calzaghe who barely seemed to have taken any punishment.

Whats more, if you havent seen a fight, then you ****ing well should not be commenting on whether the result of the fight was contentious or not. That means that you're basing all of your argument on the opinions of others. Why should I accept that to be a legitimate argument? It isnt even yours. There is no need to get defensive and immature about it "Dont tell me what I cant do...I'll say what I want waaaah waaaah", you just shouldnt do it. It makes your argument weak.

My point about RJJ's competition was always that Joe Calzaghe MAY HAVE POSSIBLY (note I do not speak in absolutes and certainties, those are signs of a 'fan-boy', I am merely a fan) been better competition than the fighters that Roy Jones Junior. OF COURSE that means the fighters he fought AT THE TIME. It would be utterly ridiculous if I meant their career in general. Do I think that Danny Williams was better than Lennox Lewis because he got rid of Tyson in quicker time? Do I think that Kevin McBride was a better fighter than Tyson? Of course I do.

To assume that when I say Calzaghe MAY HAVE POSSIBLY been a more legitimate fighter if Jones were to beat him at any time during his prime (Joe's prime) over a Hopkins who was not an especially great fighter at the time and a James Toney who was dreadfully ill on the day of the fight, I mean taking into account their career achievements is ridiculous. Jones didnt fight them throughout their career, so what difference does that make to their individual fight with Jones when they were both not anywhere close to the 'best' form that they achieved afterwards?

Now, you'll have to excuse me for my slow response. But rather than judge that as an indication of my lack of argument, perhaps you'd be better suited (and appear much less like a moronic child) if you were to realise that some people dont sit at their computers all day itching at the opportunity to engage in boxing debate. I have a social life I like to indulge in and I also have a bed that I like to sleep in. Those two things should quite easily take account of the 12 hours it took me to respond, you idiot.

No no, you still dont get it, that post was worthless, (again lol)

allow me to state my points,

First of all seriously wack insults, i dont believe in being personally insulting on the net, i believe in doing it to someone's face, so of course you would smack-talk from the safety of your PC lmao. It's so juvenile and shows ultmate weakness,

Point for point, you cant reason with someone above your level of comprehension, so your resort to the last place you can reside, the home of the Internet gangster,

Next minute you'll be telling me **** like ''I'll come down and meet you, where do you live, lets fight''

LMAO....Pitiful, and below my level also.

And now to the obvious flaws in another long and unessecary point by you.

This time, i shall number them for you, that way its easier to comprehend, comprehnde amiga?

1) THIS IS A FORUM: i will commment on whatever i like, oncemore what ****in roy jones fights have you seen to suggest to Calzaghe could beat him in his prime? exactly. lol

2) I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE REID FIGHT: I'm simply saying that it was obviously competitive, some people thought reid won, therefore there is value in a rematch, certainly in a rematch with Reid over fighting....

Evans Ashira
Sakio Bika
Tocker Pudwill
Mger Mkrtchian
Kabary Salem

and the other wack fighters Calzaghe has fought, or are these guys better than Reid?

lol, exactly, nope.

3) YOU SAID JOE CALZAGHE IS BETTER NOW THAN TONEY WAS THEN (dont make me have to quote you again lol): personally i couldnt care less if you are talking specifically about the toney who fought Jones

or the toney of the ERA (Which i think you were, but then switched when you realised it was complely nonsenical)

One more time,

The James Toney that fought roy jones was a p4p number1, undefeated, and ring magazine fighter of the year, in a stronger super middleweight divison that Calzaghe fights in.

SO NO WAY IS CALZAGHE A BETTER FIGHTER NOW THAN TONEY IN THAT ERA

And again.

You say Joe was better than a weight drained toney, SO WHAT! all that means is that Joe Calzaghe might have faired better with Jones that night than Toney did, it doesnt mean he would beat jones, its doesnt even really mean he would have done better than toney.

You made those points, all i did was question them.

4) I hardly read all that crap about your social life, im not interested in your life or how hard you work or when you wake up, save that one for your mates.

I dont know why you cant take critisms, seriously man, its only my opinion, if you cant accept it without the insults, its best you dont quote me ok.

Regards.

[squealpiggy]

No no, you still dont get it, that post was worthless, (again lol)

allow me to state my points,

First of all seriously wack insults, i dont believe in being personally insulting on the net, i believe in doing it to someone's face, so of course you would smack-talk from the safety of your PC lmao. It's so juvenile and shows ultmate weakness,

Point for point, you cant reason with someone above your level of comprehension, so your resort to the last place you can reside, the home of the Internet gangster,

Next minute you'll be telling me **** like ''I'll come down and meet you, where do you live, lets fight''

LMAO....Pitiful, and below my level also.

You must have been reading a different post altogether. Gangster? Where?

Here's an idea, why not avoid making it personal and just discuss boxing.

[Technical_Skill]

You must have been reading a different post altogether. Gangster? Where?

Here's an idea, why not avoid making it personal and just discuss boxing.

Here's an idea, dont jump in to help him cos you both support Calzaghe, if you wanna talk boxing, quote the part of my post that concerns boxing and not him

I honestly dont know what the problem is, im not anti JC, i just think some of his fans cant take Criticism

[squealpiggy]

I'm not a fan of Calzaghe. I think he slaps, he tends not to fight the big names, and he shouldn't be with Frank Warren. He does have undeniable skill however.

I find the fact that any non-American fighter is completely dismissed almost all the time by certain people to be objectionable. Could Calzaghe have beaten a prime jones or a super-middle Toney? Yes. Could Jones or Toney have beaten Calzaghe? Yes. They never fought so it's a matter of opinion. No need to get bitchy about it.