Sam Langford vs. Roy Jones JR

[BodyBagz]

There is no denying they fought a lot of bums but the same could be said for all of todays fighters really if we're being objective.

Harry Greb is arguably by resume at least the greatest boxer ever, he fought 16 HOFers spanning I believe four weights, arguably even greater than Sugar Ray only for whatever reasons there is no fight footage of him which is strange. The limited training footage of him also does him no favours. Back then fights was recorded to reels which degraded over time and with the war a lot of stuff was lost but its still odd that not a grain of fight footage of such a high level fighter who dominated for so long exists still.
About 50 of his total fights was against HOFer/ATGs and I can not remember the exact figures but he fought an unrivalled amount of opponents who was #1 and sort of top 3-5 beating vast majority of them. He possibly has the best resume in history.

Tunney went 3-1-1 with Greb (his only loss) and was a two weight world champion & also beat Loughran, Carpentier, Gibbons, Dempsey etc
There is also footage of him vs Carpentier, Gibbons, Heeney among others as well as the Dempsey fights
He is very underrated and tbf he probably doesn't make for great highlights compared to a more flashy fighter like Pep & Leonard

No modern fighter (70's on) can claim the number of bums they had back then.
So many guys had 100+ W's.

Training vids don't mean much to me.

HOFers from back then are inferior to present day HOFers.

If you can find full fights on the guys you're talking about, I'd love to see them.

[YGriffith]

I can also show you clips of modern day fighters looking a million times worse including many modern day world champions.
What are you supposed to be showing me exactly? You think those look very novice-like? Then it speaks more for your lack of understanding of the sport than anything else.
Have you even posted the right video? Because I refuse to believe anyone can watch that and think Tunney isn't high skilled and that wasn't a great display of boxing utilising faints, a good jab, footwork, angles and counterpunching against a very hard to deal with style that would no doubt give many modern fighters fits.

The thing is people/the average fan who will argue this are only looking at some modern day hack moving laterally in the same direction for the absolutely sake of it completely lacking in ring I.Q and efficiency and talking about their fluidity or supposed athleticism but not taking into account someone like Tunneys efficiency and why or what else he is doing.

Many fighters of the 70s-90s or even today could only dream of being able to punch off of angles and boxing off the backfoot like you see Tunney doing. Do you realise the skill, coordination and balance required to punch on the move like that?

And even Dempsey look at him bobbing & weaving, changing levels, using a variety of guards, head never static or on the centre line and we're supposed to be impressed by the modern day fighter who simply plods forward, squared up in a straight line behind a highguard just allowing punches to land on their forearms?

There are real double standards if an old-timer fought like how say Luis Alberto Lopez did fans would say they was trash and laugh how bad they was but because he is a modern day fighter people just sing his praises claiming he's unorthodox, awkward, cagey and throws from unusual angles & so on and claim to get it.

Difference is you can't find a video showcasing the older boxers anywhere as good as the moderne boxers.

[dan_cov]

Difference is you can't find a video showcasing the older boxers anywhere as good as the moderne boxers.

There is plenty of footage of fighters that look every bit as good as todays and tbh in many instances better.

The thing is a lot back then was complete fighters, fighters of today look more smooth and fluid because of the cameras and the fact they're so limited for most part.

Take for example Beterbiev the guy in your avatar he is hardly loose and fluid is he? If he fought way back and the footage was in b&w people would say he was slow and stiff as board which he kind of is tbh
Pirog, a lot of Eastern Europeans are rather stiff and mechanical doesn't mean they aren't high skilled, great boxers.

All these fighters stole their moves and copied their technique, nothing has changed in terms of training other than fighters do more pointless crap like hitting tyres with sledgehammers.

If you want to see boxers from way back with nice & loose styles there are plenty to choose from; George Benton, Nicholino Loche, Willie Pep

Being loose and looking fluid and easy on the eye isn't everything. I mean if you watch a guy like George Benton for example he actually looks better than his record would probably indicate.

Sugar Ray Robinson boxed in the 40s are we really going to claim he wasn't or didn't look as good as todays fighters? A lot of ATGs who wasn't nearly as good as him modelled their styles on his and in truth was poor mans versions of him yet they dominated in their eras.

[dan_cov]

There is plenty of footage of old-timers looking every bit as good.

Gene Tunney - Several fights of his on YT
Sugar Ray Robinson - More than a dozen of his fights
Eder Jofre
Willie Pep
George Benton
Nicholino Loche
Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan

[dan_cov]

[BodyBagz]

There is plenty of footage of old-timers looking every bit as good.

Gene Tunney - Several fights of his on YT
Sugar Ray Robinson - More than a dozen of his fights
Eder Jofre
Willie Pep
George Benton
Nicholino Loche
Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan

If it isn't asking too much for you to post your faves

[BodyBagz]

The biggest gripe I have with those old timers, they each have a careers worth of bums padding their stats.
JFC, if our present fighters don't fight the best every other fight, all hell breaks loose.

[Ascended]

I can also show you clips of modern day fighters looking a million times worse including many modern day world champions.
What are you supposed to be showing me exactly? You think those look very novice-like? Then it speaks more for your lack of understanding of the sport than anything else.
Have you even posted the right video? Because I refuse to believe anyone can watch that and think Tunney isn't high skilled and that wasn't a great display of boxing utilising faints, a good jab, footwork, angles and counterpunching against a very hard to deal with style that would no doubt give many modern fighters fits.

The thing is people/the average fan who will argue this are only looking at some modern day hack moving laterally in the same direction for the absolutely sake of it completely lacking in ring I.Q and efficiency and talking about their fluidity or supposed athleticism but not taking into account someone like Tunneys efficiency and why or what else he is doing.

Many fighters of the 70s-90s or even today could only dream of being able to punch off of angles and boxing off the backfoot like you see Tunney doing. Do you realise the skill, coordination and balance required to punch on the move like that?

And even Dempsey look at him bobbing & weaving, changing levels, using a variety of guards, head never static or on the centre line and we're supposed to be impressed by the modern day fighter who simply plods forward, squared up in a straight line behind a highguard just allowing punches to land on their forearms?

There are real double standards if an old-timer fought like how say Luis Alberto Lopez did fans would say they was trash and laugh how bad they was but because he is a modern day fighter people just sing his praises claiming he's unorthodox, awkward, cagey and throws from unusual angles & so on and claim to get it.

Clearly trolling you've been exposed; you can show me clips? I just linked you to a full match showing you those guys were novices in angles used, fluidity, timing/tech compared to the 1970s-1990s. No, you cannot show me any full matches where those eras were way less advanced in any of those areas in full match, you crazy liar idiot. You've lost here,I suggest you to stop and no longer expose yourself

[Ascended]

The biggest gripe I have with those old timers, they each have a careers worth of bums padding their stats.
JFC, if our present fighters don't fight the best every other fight, all hell breaks loose.

You see that crazy person trolling he has no evidence to prove me wrong

[Ascended]

Difference is you can't find a video showcasing the older boxers anywhere as good as the moderne boxers.

Exactly,which is why I posted a semi match to show everything