Sam Langford vs. Roy Jones JR

[Zaroku]

Maybe we should have todays fighters fight under the same conditions.

Have them fight every other week regardless what injuries they had
No training camps
Same day weigh ins forcing them to fight at their natural weight classes
Having to fight everyone being unable to cherrypick and avoid certain opponents and styles
Hundreds of fights and fighting well into their 40s
No steroids or PEDs
No access to supplements
15 rounds
Fighting in all weather conditions
Wearing heavy leather boots

Lets see how advanced they and training/nutrition really is because its all a load of absolute rubbish as far as I am concerned.
Advances in nutrition and all this, what absolute rubbish all your food is full of synthetic cr4p and injected with hormones, water, dyes and God knows what. Grown in a lab. Their training consists of squats and typing on Twitter with a light padwork session at night.

The sports on its a55.
No real teachers, the fighters are soft, pampered b**** who take no risks and fight twice a year max. Train when they feel like it.

You have a Youtuber dabbling in boxing for a few years bouncing up and down doing star jumps and lunging in from 8ft away with an overhand right and clinching over and over and over and he is on even terms with one of todays supposed boxers. Zero basics just awful yet this boxer who has been doing it supposedly for 20yrs and has 20lbs on him can't do anything with him. Should tell anyone all they need to know about where this sports heading.

These fighters of today can't box or fight, they're ****!

No fundamentals just a load of galoots pushing their right hand and falling in repeatably. Hardly any fighter today even knows how to cut a ring off or move their head.
They have like two shots in their entire arsenal and we're sitting playing pretend and acting like its so advanced?

British boxings come on along way hasn't it.
A terrible excuse for a jab that has no variety they're too scared to step in with while their right gloves pinned to the cheek.
Its a mess.

They wouldn't last 5 minutes fighting under the same conditions or even survive 2 minutes without access to a computer.

Spoken or written like a true connoisseur of boxing

[dan_cov]

Not that I disagree with overall point but Eubank's not #1, he's not even Top 5 and Smith is unranked.

I don't think Eubank has ever been ranked in the Top 5 of any division ever.

I went by Boxrec rankings
Not sure Ring magazines are much better either.

Derevyankchenko #5 despite losing 6 of his last 8.

Which brings me to another point, back then the rankings wasn't anywhere as baffling as they are today.
If they fought a guy ranked #1 or #3 or whatever chances are they had legitimate earned that spot, not given it.

[dan_cov]

How can we claim they wasn't skilled or pretend they was caveman and the sport has advanced so much?

I tell you something a lot of these supposed ATGs and fighters who will go down as greater fighters could have learned a lot from the likes of these two.

I don't see these advances just fighters today fight in a wider stance with far less skill for most part.
Can't even block or parry a jab for Christ sake, day 1 beginner shlt!

I don't know how anyone can watch this even if they are a casual and not be able to appreciate it.
This is high level, clean technical boxing.

[dan_cov]

Parrying the jab
Finishes combinations with the jab to maintain distance.
Half step back to create room to counter
Variety on the jab - jabbing up and down
Opponent comes in low so he controls the head and steps around like a matador...these days they would just accept the clinch as there stance is so wide they haven't the mobility so much for being so athletic.
High understanding of framing and fighting in the clinch not all this headlock and lean on your opponent rubbish that puts every single one of us too sleep each weekend.

Just so much stuff, even real basic that has become almost a forgotten art.

These days they'll just parry a jab with their forehead and apparently that is advanced stuff.

These old-timers are every bit as skilled as todays fighters in fact the only ones who are more skilled are the likes of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Mike McCallum, Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc, the true elites that studied them and implemented what they did into their own styles on top of world class fundamentals and did so with a great understanding unlike todays fighters who will try and mimic what Floyd or someone does with absolutely zero understanding of the purpose of it.

[IronDanHamza]

I went by Boxrec rankings
Not sure Ring magazines are much better either.

Derevyankchenko #5 despite losing 6 of his last 8.

Which brings me to another point, back then the rankings wasn't anywhere as baffling as they are today.
If they fought a guy ranked #1 or #3 or whatever chances are they had legitimate earned that spot, not given it.

The Ring's rankings are infinitely better.

[Ascended]

Parrying the jab
Finishes combinations with the jab to maintain distance.
Half step back to create room to counter
Variety on the jab - jabbing up and down
Opponent comes in low so he controls the head and steps around like a matador...these days they would just accept the clinch as there stance is so wide they haven't the mobility so much for being so athletic.
High understanding of framing and fighting in the clinch not all this headlock and lean on your opponent rubbish that puts every single one of us too sleep each weekend.

Just so much stuff, even real basic that has become almost a forgotten art.

These days they'll just parry a jab with their forehead and apparently that is advanced stuff.

These old-timers are every bit as skilled as todays fighters in fact the only ones who are more skilled are the likes of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Mike McCallum, Hearns, Hagler, Duran etc, the true elites that studied them and implemented what they did into their own styles on top of world class fundamentals and did so with a great understanding unlike todays fighters who will try and mimic what Floyd or someone does with absolutely zero understanding of the purpose of it.

Lunatic no Evidence at all,and clearly can't see good

[Ascended]

How can we claim they weren't skilled or pretend they were a caveman and the sport has advanced so much?

I tell you something a lot of these supposed ATGs and fighters who will go down as greater fighters could have learned a lot from the likes of these two.

I don't see these advanced fighters today fighting in a wider stance with far less skill for the most part.
Can't even block or parry a jab for Christ's sake, day 1 beginner shut!

I don't know how anyone can watch this even if they are casual and not able to appreciate it.
This is high-level, clean technical boxing.

it's all a claim even though multiple videos were shown proving the sport advanced a lot even by 19-year-old amateurs in the 70s, and no names in the 80s,my job will never stop with liars/lunatics like you

[dan_cov]

Do you even watch the videos posted?
You proved the sport has advanced by posting pair of amateurs blocking every single punch with their faces and stood just taking it in turns to hit each other repeatably with left hooks? Baffling.

[dan_cov]

So advanced that 100 yrs later they're still mimicking his style and fighters are still having great success with it, still breaking it down and studying his technique and the mechanics and teaching it in gyms all over the world.
You have countless fighters across countless decades in the HOF who based their styles on his.

You won't find any trainer or fighter watching them two amateurs and taking anything away from it. Well other than yourself maybe

[Ascended]

Do you even watch the videos posted?
You proved the sport has advanced by posting a pair of amateurs blocking every single punch with their faces and standing just taking it in turns to hit each other repeatably with left hooks. Baffling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RitgTiTvXc all lies, cause I'm watching now their using angles/feints/smooth on their feet, switching angles great, not off balance, not as easy to read, way better defense, on top of way better punch techniques,and no they aren't throwing hooks only which is another lie

you're only exposing you're can't see good or not watching at all, which one is it?,both i would say,where is you're proof from full matches showing 30-40s,as advanced?,where is the matches