Sam Langford vs. Roy Jones JR

[BodyBagz]

Has any of the pro Langford's even seen a complete fight of his ?
Can one of them post his best effort ?
I can pretty much guarantee a bunch of wrestling and all out wildness.

[dan_cov]

Your follower tactics do not work on the ascended. Highlights are pathetic. And don't show everything which makes them invalid to I

Try this: https://********/H_BCFxR1S2M?si=hABxJGK-_h2DDfmS . That's how they all fought, so no, he wasn't, as you lied, saying decades ahead of any time. He and dempsey look very novice-like, and no fighter made midcard fighting like that in the 70s and 90s.

A fighter of those eras would never be beat in his had they been transported the exact way they fought or would they ever struggle. That's true. Decades ahead of time, you've made the mistake of going against the ascended,i hope you have learned not to do that no more

I can link more semi matches, Of another fighter of that era and it will all show the same novice like use as the one I linked angles/tech/fluidity/timing,that in no way looks like a fighter in 70s-90s,would you like me to do that?

I can also show you clips of modern day fighters looking a million times worse including many modern day world champions.
What are you supposed to be showing me exactly? You think those look very novice-like? Then it speaks more for your lack of understanding of the sport than anything else.
Have you even posted the right video? Because I refuse to believe anyone can watch that and think Tunney isn't high skilled and that wasn't a great display of boxing utilising faints, a good jab, footwork, angles and counterpunching against a very hard to deal with style that would no doubt give many modern fighters fits.

The thing is people/the average fan who will argue this are only looking at some modern day hack moving laterally in the same direction for the absolutely sake of it completely lacking in ring I.Q and efficiency and talking about their fluidity or supposed athleticism but not taking into account someone like Tunneys efficiency and why or what else he is doing.

Many fighters of the 70s-90s or even today could only dream of being able to punch off of angles and boxing off the backfoot like you see Tunney doing. Do you realise the skill, coordination and balance required to punch on the move like that?

And even Dempsey look at him bobbing & weaving, changing levels, using a variety of guards, head never static or on the centre line and we're supposed to be impressed by the modern day fighter who simply plods forward, squared up in a straight line behind a highguard just allowing punches to land on their forearms?

There are real double standards if an old-timer fought like how say Luis Alberto Lopez did fans would say they was trash and laugh how bad they was but because he is a modern day fighter people just sing his praises claiming he's unorthodox, awkward, cagey and throws from unusual angles & so on and claim to get it.

[BodyBagz]

[dan_cov]

Sry
Can't disagree more
90% of those guys would not be licensed.
Maybe MMA
Everyone had 100+ fights back then
Still fighting debut guys after having 50+ Ws
''Top'' guys were fed bum after bum
Padding the stats.
One of the more notable stat-padders is Archie Moore.
Where did they find enough guys for him to rack up 100+ KOs

Anyone who passes a medical can get licensed.
You literally have Youtubers getting licensed with zero amateur experience.

And I am sure if todays fighters was fighting every other week against opponents with no notice there would be a hell of a lot of upsets.
Today fighters have teams literally dedicated to preserving their '0' having them breakdown every stylistic threat. Back then they didn't have such luxuries.

Prospects in Mexico are often a lot more active and often will have losses early in their careers because they just fight more like they did back in the day. The thing is they aren't **** on as much for taking a loss as we get the circumstances over there are a little different to U.K, U.S and the rest of the world where fighters have whole teams dedicated to carefully guide them. These old-timers though are **** on for it and people tend to not realise or just ignore that between them staying active and fighting regularly they also often finished their careers fighting countless numbers of world champions, ATGs and HOFers

Times was different then they didn't have all these training camps and 6-12 week preparation times just to fight bums followed by a minimum of a 6 month lay off, they just dedicated their life to it and fought whoever, whenever with no silly diva like demands.

[BodyBagz]

Anyone who passes a medical can get licensed.
You literally have Youtubers getting licensed with zero amateur experience.

And I am sure if todays fighters was fighting every other week against opponents with no notice there would be a hell of a lot of upsets.
Today fighters have teams literally dedicated to preserving their '0' having them breakdown every stylistic threat. Back then they didn't have such luxuries.

Prospects in Mexico are often very more active and often will have losses early in their careers because they just fight more like they did back in the day. The thing is they aren't **** on as much for taking a loss as we get the circumstances over there are a little different to U.K, U.S and the rest of the world where fighters have whole teams dedicated to carefully guide them. These old-timers though are **** on for it and people tend to not realise or just ignore that between them staying active and fighting regularly they also often finished their careers fighting countless numbers of world champions, ATGs and HOFers

Times was different then they didn't have all these training camps and 6-12 week preparation times just to fight bums followed by a minimum of a 6 month lay off, they just dedicated their life to it and fought whoever, whenever with no silly diva like demands.

Youtubers2K > Old timers
The Pauls would be a real threat
No matter how much you mention ''angles'' and ''technique'', it all boils down to the VISUALS.
Call me a casual all day long
Falling over each other is sloppy regardless of the year or how historians wrote it up.
In 9/10 fights, slop will appear.

No excuse will prevail when you match ''them'' vs ''now''
Our sloppiest guy, Wilder, would pretty much go 200 Ws 0 Ls198 KOs if he fought back then.

[dan_cov]

I'll agree though that Langford looks lousy and RJJ would have absolutely smoked him whenever he felt like it but that is RJJ, he did that to just about everyone anyway.

But not all these pioneers are terrible, in fact far from and they deserve a lot more respect than they get especially in the conditions that they fought.
I mean think about it with how often they fought you think they wasn't taking fights constantly whether against bums or not without major niggles and injuries constantly?

[dan_cov]

Youtubers2K > Old timers
The Pauls would be a real threat
No matter how much you mention ''angles'' and ''technique'', it all boils down to the VISUALS.
Call me a casual all day long
Falling over each other is sloppy regardless of the year or how historians wrote it up.
In 9/10 fights, slop will appear.

No excuse will prevail when you match ''them'' vs ''now''
Our sloppiest guy, Wilder, would pretty much go 200 Ws 0 Ls198 KOs if he fought back then.

I don't think you're a casual just trolling and exaggerating for comedic purposes.
The Pauls lol

If you watch Tunney he is anything but sloppy or falling over, he has excellent footwork and balance.
Same with Pep, Leonard and many other pioneers.

If anything its modern day fighters who are often sloppy as anything and constantly falling in or over their own feet and they for most part don't even use angles to punch off of and only circle one way with a few exceptions like Lomachenko, Bam and the likes

[BodyBagz]

I don't think you're a casual just trolling and exaggerating for comedic purposes.
The Pauls lol

If you watch Tunney he is anything but sloppy or falling over, he has excellent footwork and balance.
Same with Pep, Leonard and many other pioneers.

If anything its modern day fighters who are often sloppy as anything and constantly falling in or over their own feet and they for most part don't even use angles to punch off of and only circle one way with a few exceptions like Lomachenko, Bam and the likes

TBF, I'm not going to go too hard finding every fight.
1st one I see, will be the one.
Feel free to post others -

229 W's vs Fabela Chavez (?. Fought 12x in 1952 (6-6) )
I'm sure Pep has a bunch of ?'s on the ledger
His last 30 fights were vs bums
His 1st 30 pretty much the same

vs Jimmy McLarnin (I have heard of this guy)
SMH.......

Couldn't find anything on Harry Greb and his 262s W's (boxrec only shows 108)
How many no hopers would I find ?

Youtube uploaders don't love Tunney
All I see is him vs Dempsey
Not exactly a who's who on the ledger.

I see nothing special

[BodyBagz]

The pro Langford's are not in a rush to state their case.....

[dan_cov]

TBF, I'm not going to go too hard finding every fight.
1st one I see, will be the one.
Feel free to post others -

229 W's vs Fabela Chavez (?. Fought 12x in 1952 (6-6) )
I'm sure Pep has a bunch of ?'s on the ledger
His last 30 fights were vs bums
His 1st 30 pretty much the same

vs Jimmy McLarnin (I have heard of this guy)
SMH.......

Couldn't find anything on Harry Greb and his 262s W's (boxrec only shows 108)
How many no hopers would I find ?

Youtube uploaders don't love Tunney
All I see is him vs Dempsey
Not exactly a who's who on the ledger.

I see nothing special

There is no denying they fought a lot of bums but the same could be said for all of todays fighters really if we're being objective.

Harry Greb is arguably by resume at least the greatest boxer ever, he fought 16 HOFers spanning I believe four weights, arguably even greater than Sugar Ray only for whatever reasons there is no fight footage of him which is strange. The limited training footage of him also does him no favours. Back then fights was recorded to reels which degraded over time and with the war a lot of stuff was lost but its still odd that not a grain of fight footage of such a high level fighter who dominated for so long exists still.
About 50 of his total fights was against HOFer/ATGs and I can not remember the exact figures but he fought an unrivalled amount of opponents who was #1 and sort of top 3-5 beating vast majority of them. He possibly has the best resume in history.

Tunney went 3-1-1 with Greb (his only loss) and was a two weight world champion & also beat Loughran, Carpentier, Gibbons, Dempsey etc
There is also footage of him vs Carpentier, Gibbons, Heeney among others as well as the Dempsey fights
He is very underrated and tbf he probably doesn't make for great highlights compared to a more flashy fighter like Pep & Leonard