Sam Langford vs. Roy Jones JR

[BodyBagz]

why has no footage even been altered to prove me wrong?,if I'm a liar,where is the footage showing any 30-40s guys as advanced as guys in 70s-90s,I have begged these not sane people since last year,no one will expose me as a fact as wrong,I have always exposed them as wrong which isn't a opinion

You and I are not liars
Others here also see those old timey mugs for what they were.
If I need a good laugh, I sometimes think about watching those sloppy MFers rassle each other.

[Ascended]

So many fights from that decrepit era don't even exist YET they use them as proof

''Well, writers would not glorify them if it weren't true .''

Laughable

That is correct, but even with the semi-full footage we have, they refuse to watch them. Instead, they watch the highlights of the best moments, which, as I said for a fact, don't show every obsolete tech and flaw of an era. No highlights of a person in an era show all of every tech, fluidity, timing/angles used,which is why highlights aren't worth watching,especially when a h2h match is the topic

[Ascended]

You and I are not liars
Others here also see those old timey mugs for what they were.
If I need a good laugh, I sometimes think about watching those sloppy MFers rassle each other.

They have told me these odd quotes. I don't know what I'm looking at. Quotes of a said trainer say otherwise. Watch highlights/breakdowns. I'll take said trainer word over yours. I need to learn boxing. If a guy was a novice. Why did he get ranked so high? Why have trainers and boxers said srr/louis was the greatest? They could do great in any era.

[BodyBagz]

That is correct, but even with the semi-full footage we have, they refuse to watch them. Instead, they watch the highlights of the best moments, which, as I said for a fact, don't show every obsolete tech and flaw of an era. No highlights of a person in an era show all of every tech, fluidity, timing/angles used,which is why highlights aren't worth watching,especially when a h2h match is the topic

''These present day guys can't go 12 much less 20+ rds !!!''
Those ignorant purists !!!!
As if it was pure action from rd 1 to rd 20+
Those old timey pricks took holding and leaning on each other to ungodly levels !!!!
The ref stayed out of the way and let those bums do what they wanted.

The darkest days of the sport.

[dan_cov]

why has no footage even been altered to prove me wrong?,if I'm a liar,where is the footage showing any 30-40s guys as advanced as guys in 70s-90s,I have begged these not sane people since last year,no one will expose me as a fact as wrong,I have always exposed them as wrong which isn't a opinion

While I agree these old-timers are horribly overrated and boxing back then was more like ballroom dancing, here is footage from several decades prior of what you are asking. Can we really act like Tunney wasn't as skilled or didn't have better technique than an awful lot of world champions from the 70s-90s or even the present day?

This isn't some unskilled caveman people overrate due to nostalgia, there is more than enough footage available to clearly see a quite excellent fighter that was simply decades ahead of his time & bare in mind at 6' and 180 he isn't some small guy either. A complete fighter who could have success at any range moving in any direction not just circling to their left like vast majority of todays one-dimensional bunch.
His footwork was very advanced a lot of modern day fighters could learn a lot from. Look at his usage of angles and ability to frame and create room to land picture perfect counters.

Did he have flaws? Sure but what fighter doesn't?

That is footage from 100yrs back of a supposed caveman negating clinching with textbook boxing and such yet hardly any of todays fighters can they just look to the ref and sulk. If they was that skilled and athletic like people pretend then they shouldn't have much of a problem negating such a thing but most of todays trainers are glorified fitness trainers, not teachers and a whole lot has been forgotten or not taught. We are in this era of excessive movement where fighters just throw the absolute basics and smothers themselves and we sit and pretend they're so athletic and so highly skilled despite us falling asleep every other week while watching it.

[dan_cov]

Then you also have the likes of Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Benny Leonard etc etc

[BodyBagz]

Then you also have the likes of Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Benny Leonard etc etc

Another problem with the olden days were lack of competition.
It made fighting 5x a month possible.
One guy would clearly be the professional, the other a part time bartender/bouncer.

[Ascended]

While I agree these old-timers are horribly overrated and boxing back then was more like ballroom dancing, here is footage from several decades prior of what you are asking. Can we really act like Tunney wasn't as skilled or didn't have better technique than an awful lot of world champions from the 70s-90s or even the present day?

This isn't some unskilled caveman people overrate due to nostalgia, there is more than enough footage available to clearly see a quite excellent fighter that was simply decades ahead of his time & bare in mind at 6' and 180 he isn't some small guy either. A complete fighter who could have success at any range moving in any direction not just circling to their left like vast majority of todays one-dimensional bunch.
His footwork was very advanced a lot of modern day fighters could learn a lot from. Look at his usage of angles and ability to frame and create room to land picture perfect counters.

Did he have flaws? Sure but what fighter doesn't?

That is footage from 100yrs back of a supposed caveman negating clinching with textbook boxing and such yet hardly any of todays fighters can they just look to the ref and sulk. If they was that skilled and athletic like people pretend then they shouldn't have much of a problem negating such a thing but most of todays trainers are glorified fitness trainers, not teachers and a whole lot has been forgotten or not taught. We are in this era of excessive movement where fighters just throw the absolute basics and smothers themselves and we sit and pretend they're so athletic and so highly skilled despite us falling asleep every other week while watching it.

Your follower tactics do not work on the ascended. Highlights are pathetic. And don't show everything which makes them invalid to I

Try this: https://********/H_BCFxR1S2M?si=hABxJGK-_h2DDfmS . That's how they all fought, so no, he wasn't, as you lied, saying decades ahead of any time. He and dempsey look very novice-like, and no fighter made midcard fighting like that in the 70s and 90s.

A fighter of those eras would never be beat in his had they been transported the exact way they fought or would they ever struggle. That's true. Decades ahead of time, you've made the mistake of going against the ascended,i hope you have learned not to do that no more

I can link more semi matches, Of another fighter of that era and it will all show the same novice like use as the one I linked angles/tech/fluidity/timing,that in no way looks like a fighter in 70s-90s,would you like me to do that?

[dan_cov]

Another problem with the olden days were lack of competition.
It made fighting 5x a month possible.
One guy would clearly be the professional, the other a part time bartender/bouncer.

There is a lack of competition at the top level in nearly all the divisions, so many divisions are like ghost towns. Most of todays divisions have no real depth tbh and you have what are probably in truth domestic level fighters posing as world champions.
Todays fighters could fight a lot more regularly if they wanted they just waste their careers on the sidelines hoping to hit the lotto.
Fighting once or twice a year if lucky and usually against just that, bartenders and bouncers.
Back then a lot was more dedicated to their craft as its all they did, fighting regular from paycheque to paycheque. These days its full of pretenders and part time boxers who spend all weekend out partying.

Back then there wasn't all these silly weight limits in place and weight bullying. They didn't have access to footage and couldn't pick & choose like they do today.
There wasn't a massive emphasis on staying undefeated they just fought whoever, whenever regardless of their style and there also wasn't a ridiculous amount of belts allowing them to pick weak links.
If todays fighters fought under the same conditions they would have a lot more losses as they wouldn't be able to carefully avoid certain fighters, certain styles etc

[BodyBagz]

There is a lack of competition at the top level in nearly all the divisions, so many divisions are like ghost towns. Most of todays divisions have no real depth tbh and you have what are probably in truth domestic level fighters posing as world champions.
Todays fighters could fight a lot more regularly if they wanted they just waste their careers on the sidelines hoping to hit the lotto.
Fighting once or twice a year if lucky and usually against just that, bartenders and bouncers.
Back then a lot was more dedicated to their craft as its all they did, fighting regular from paycheque to paycheque. These days its full of pretenders and part time boxers who spend all weekend out partying.

Back then there wasn't all these silly weight limits in place and weight bullying. They didn't have access to footage and couldn't pick & choose like they do today.
There wasn't a massive emphasis on staying undefeated they just fought whoever, whenever regardless of their style and there also wasn't a ridiculous amount of belts allowing them to pick weak links.
If todays fighters fought under the same conditions they would have a lot more losses as they wouldn't be able to carefully avoid certain fighters, certain styles etc

Sry
Can't disagree more
90% of those guys would not be licensed.
Maybe MMA
Everyone had 100+ fights back then
Still fighting debut guys after having 50+ Ws
''Top'' guys were fed bum after bum
Padding the stats.
One of the more notable stat-padders is Archie Moore.
Where did they find enough guys for him to rack up 100+ KOs