What Made Kostya Tsyzu Great?

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  • !! $iN
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    #51
    Originally posted by Cletus Funk
    There are holes all over Floyd's resume too.
    Every resume can be picked apart...

    Corrales and Hernandez were weight drained to **** so those wins carry little weight. Hernandez was pretty old by then too, and also carrying some kind of eye injury I believe.
    Corrales was so weight drained that was able to make 130 for 3 more years after this fight.

    While Mayweather was fighting Hernandez in his 18th pro fight (Hernandez is Mayweather's Tszyu, in my opinion), Hatton was fighting the great Pedro Alonso Teran. He would not fight Tszyu for another 20+ fights...

    DLH? Old and several years past his prime, inactive, carrying injuries and Floyd still barely won, if at all.
    If 33 year old DLH is old, why would anyone give Hatton credit for beating a 36 year old Tszyu? Also, DLH said coming into the fight that he had no injuries and was in the best shape of his life. DLH was inactive for a year just as Tsyzu was inactive for a year and a half. The difference? DLH chose to take that time off. Tszyu was severely injured for the year and a half that he didn't fight. Also keep in mind that Mayweather-DLH was a close fight with Mayweather fighting for the first time in his 5th division. Hatton-Tsyzu was a close fight when Hatton was in his natural division, in his backyard, and in his prime. It's pretty obvious which is the more quality win...

    In your opinion, is DLH a greater fighter than Tsyzu?

    He's 1-1 with Castillo as we all know.
    The people in charge of the record books didn't get the memo...

    Chavez? Hardly the stuff of legends.
    Chavez is a better win than anyone Hatton has beaten to date not named Tsyzu and that may not even be one of Mayweather's top 5 wins...

    Judah and Mitchell? Chewed up and spat out by Kostya years before Floyd took on what was left of them.
    Judah was a good fighter but never fought to his potential and Mitchell was never that great, yet these are the 2 biggest wins of Tszyu's career. Judah is maybe Mayweather's 5th best win...

    Maybe you should take a look back at the opinions of Tszyu before the Hatton fight. Strange how it's suddenly changed.

    You should maybe also spend less time on Boxrec and more time watching fights. You can sometimes actually tell what a good fighter looks like by watching them fight. Weird that, hey?

    It wasn't just about who KT fought, it was about the way he beat them. If I recall correctly, only Urkal, Tackie and 1 other lasted the distance with him in nearly 20 title fights. He destroyed just about everyone he faced.
    It's about who you beat more than how you beat them. I'm sure Tsyzu would trade every single one of those knockout wins over B and C level fighters for a clear decision win over an A level fighter like DLH or Mayweather at 140...

    He is easily top 3 LWW of all time, maybe higher.
    1. Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez (in the early 90s, not 2000)
    3. Antonio Cervantes
    4. Wilfred Benitez

    I'm sure there were some other greats before my time that are above Tsyzu and this is not including the great fighters who didn't spend much time at 140...
    Last edited by Guest; 06-19-2007, 12:45 PM.

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    • Technical_Skill
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      #52
      Originally posted by $iN
      Every resume can be picked apart...



      Corrales was so weight drained that was able to make 130 for 3 more years after this fight.



      If 33 year old DLH is old, why would anyone give Hatton credit for beating a 36 year old Tszyu? Also, DLH said coming into the fight that he had no injuries and was in the best shape of his life. DLH was inactive for a year just as Tsyzu was inactive for a year and a half. The difference? DLH chose to take that time off. Tszyu was severely injured for the year and a half that he didn't fight. Also keep in mind that Mayweather-DLH was a close fight with Mayweather fighting for the first time in his 5th division. Hatton-Tsyzu was a close fight when Hatton was in his natural division, in his backyard, and in his prime. It's pretty obvious which is the more quality win...

      In your opinion, is DLH a greater fighter than Tsyzu?



      The people in charge of the record books didn't get the memo...



      Chavez is a better win than anyone Hatton has beaten to date not named Tsyzu and that may not even be one of Mayweather's top 5 wins...



      Judah was a good fighter but never fought to his potential and Mitchell was never that great, yet these are the 2 biggest wins of Tszyu's career. Judah is maybe Mayweather's 5th best win...



      It's about who you beat more than how you beat them. I'm sure Tsyzu would trade every single one of those knockout wins for a clear decision win over someone like DLH or Mayweather at 140...



      1. Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor
      2. Julio Cesar Chavez (in the early 90s, not 2000)
      3. Antonio Cervantes
      4. Wilfred Benitez

      I'm sure there were some other greats before my time that are above Tsyzu and this is not including the great fighters who didn't spend much time at 140...
      He wont come back from this, brutal post.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Technical_Skill
        He wont come back from this, brutal post.
        You can't argue with facts...

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        • Cletus Funk
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          #54
          Originally posted by Technical_Skill
          He wont come back from this, brutal post.
          On your way, son. I don't want to keep you from arguing about fights you've never even seen.

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          • Technical_Skill
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            #55
            Originally posted by Cletus Funk
            On your way, son. I don't want to keep you from arguing about fights you've never even seen.
            Nothing personal, just was a good post, what fights have i claimed i have seen but have not?

            Please tell me, so i can go back and watch them.

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            • Welter_Skelter
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              #56
              Originally posted by $iN
              I've been hearing a few calling Tsyzu an all-time great. What exactly did he do that was so great? His best win is over an overrated Zab Judah and a Sharmba Mitchell that isn't that good to begin with. He beat up on an old Julio Cesar Chavez and Jesse James Leija. He had some solid wins, but his career wasn't enough to consider him one of the greats...
              You could easily change Tzsyus name for Mayweathers.. You SPAG!!!... Floyd has wins against the same "not very good Fighters" you just mentioned...

              You are so blinded by your hatred of white fighters.. that you punch your self in the face.. You are seriously mentaly challenged..

              Oh And Kostya beat younger versions of the fighters you mention.. and he KO'd them sooner..

              Why dont you just give up.. **** for brains????

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              • Technical_Skill
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                #57
                Originally posted by Welter_Skelter

                You are so blinded by your hatred of white fighters.. that you punch your self in the face.. You are seriously mentaly challenged..

                Oh And Kostya beat younger versions of the fighters you mention.. and he KO'd them sooner..

                Why dont you just give up.. **** for brains????
                Whats this?

                Its got nothing to do with Race, no one is saying Kosta was garabge from what i have seen, but i for one disagree with those who claim he was one of the top 3 fighters at 140 of all time,

                Some have said he is the greatest ever at 140,

                Thats what is being denied here, nothing to do with the race card.

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                • Welter_Skelter
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                  Whats this?

                  Its got nothing to do with Race, no one is saying Kosta was garabge from what i have seen, but i for one disagree with those who claim he was one of the top 3 fighters at 140 of all time,

                  Some have said he is the greatest ever at 140,

                  Thats what is being denied here, nothing to do with the race card.
                  If you Think $iN doesn't have a probelm with White fighters.. You haven't been reading the Threads..

                  I like you dude.. you are one of the better new posters.. I dont agree with you too often but that dont mean I dont respect you.. You like to argue..
                  And Thats OK... but dont just argue for arguments sake.. $iN is a TROLL..

                  He doesn't desreve such an intelligent guy defending his nonsense..

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                  • Technical_Skill
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
                    If you Think $iN doesn't have a probelm with White fighters.. You haven't been reading the Threads..

                    I like you dude.. you are one of the better new posters.. I dont agree with you too often but that dont mean I dont respect you.. You like to argue..
                    And Thats OK... but dont just argue for arguments sake.. $iN is a TROLL..

                    He doesn't desreve such an intelligent guy defending his nonsense..
                    I havent got a problem with you either, but (and i will get KILLED for saying this) i think the dude makes vaild points, and i can see why some dont like him, but some people just disrespect him cos of his name without actually reading what he has said,

                    U know how i know?

                    Because i have said some of the same things and no one has said a word to me.

                    But yeah dude, its cool, and now because i have said this about $in i shall have **** thrown in my face from Me 2007, Canada joe etc. no doubt. lol.

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                    • Amaro
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by RunW/Knives
                      Mosley moved up and sought the DLH fight, and that was one of the best wins in an already impressive career. Mosley blew people out of the water at 140 and moved right up to 147 to take on Oscar.

                      Tszyu hung around too long and never moved up to find that big fight. He needed Mosley more than anyone I've ever seen on earth.

                      The Judah fight was big at the time, but in retrospect he wasn't the caliber star Mosley was.
                      what the **** are you smoking??

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