What Made Kostya Tsyzu Great?

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  • guru
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    #41
    Originally posted by Technical_Skill
    If this is the case

    It says more about the Divison, then it does about Tsysu.
    well, it does say that zoo was the undisputed, unified champ of a good, deep division... a better than division than nard was the unified champ of...

    but i agree that zoo was a good champ and hall of famer, but not an all time great up there with leonard, hearns, hagler, duran....

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      #42
      Originally posted by $iN
      Judah and Mitchell are Tsyzus best wins. They are not even close to Mayweather's best. That's the difference...
      zab isnt one PBf's best wins??

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        #43
        Originally posted by guru
        well, it does say that zoo was the undisputed, unified champ of a good, deep division... a better than division than nard was the unified champ of...

        but i agree that zoo was a good champ and hall of famer, but not an all time great up there with leonard, hearns, hagler, duran....
        He's not even top 5 at 140...

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          #44
          Originally posted by guru
          zab isnt one PBf's best wins??
          His wins over Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, Chavez, and now DLH are all bigger wins...

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          • guru
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            #45
            Originally posted by $iN
            He's not even top 5 at 140...
            what 5 do you rate over zoo???

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              #46
              Originally posted by $iN
              His wins over Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez, Chavez, and now DLH are all bigger wins...
              hhhmmm, i might disagree with hernandez and chavez being bigger wins then zab, although zab did lose to baldy just prior to fighting pbf...

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                #47
                Kostya Tszyu's Top 5 Wins:

                Zab Judah
                Sharmba Mitchell twice
                Oktay Urkal
                Julio Cesar Chavez (way past his prime)
                Diosbelys Hurtado

                Is this the resume of a great fighter?

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                • Cletus Funk
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by $iN
                  Kostya Tszyu's Top 5 Wins:

                  Zab Judah
                  Sharmba Mitchell twice
                  Oktay Urkal
                  Julio Cesar Chavez (way past his prime)
                  Diosbelys Hurtado

                  Is this the resume of a great fighter?
                  There are holes all over Floyd's resume too.

                  Corrales and Hernandez were weight drained to **** so those wins carry little weight. Hernandez was pretty old by then too, and also carrying some kind of eye injury I believe.

                  DLH? Old and several years past his prime, inactive, carrying injuries and Floyd still barely won, if at all.

                  He's 1-1 with Castillo as we all know.

                  Chavez? Hardly the stuff of legends.

                  Judah and Mitchell? Chewed up and spat out by Kostya years before Floyd took on what was left of them.

                  Maybe you should take a look back at the opinions of Tszyu before the Hatton fight. Strange how it's suddenly changed.

                  You should maybe also spend less time on Boxrec and more time watching fights. You can sometimes actually tell what a good fighter looks like by watching them fight. Weird that, hey?

                  It wasn't just about who KT fought, it was about the way he beat them. If I recall correctly, only Urkal, Tackie and 1 other lasted the distance with him in nearly 20 title fights. He destroyed just about everyone he faced.

                  He is easily top 3 LWW of all time, maybe higher.
                  Last edited by Cletus Funk; 06-19-2007, 11:33 AM.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by brently1979
                    Tsyzu fought DLH's left overs: Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Ruleas, Leija, and a well past his expiry date Chavez, didn't they wheeled chavez into the ring and placed him on the ropes for Tsyzu to go to work?

                    Tsyzu ducked Gatti as far as I'm concerned.
                    Miguel Angel Gonzalez was an impressive fighter who only had one defeat at the time to Oscar and Tszyu stopped him in brutal fashion where DLH could not. Kostya would have destroyed Gatti even faster than Floyd did if Gatti's management would ever let him anywhere near Tszyu. Fighters like PBF, Cotto and Paul Williams that get so much credit these days for beating ancient opponents Tszyu ruined while in their prime must make you go hmmm.......

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by nozorok
                      Miguel Angel Gonzalez was an impressive fighter who only had one defeat at the time to Oscar and Tszyu stopped him in brutal fashion where DLH could not. Kostya would have destroyed Gatti even faster than Floyd did if Gatti's management would ever let him anywhere near Tszyu. Fighters like PBF, Cotto and Paul Williams that get so much credit these days for beating ancient opponents Tszyu ruined while in their prime must make you go hmmm.......
                      great point

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