** Why are so many obsess about the ODLH v. PBF fight?**

[MOREBASS]

^ Without even seeing this fight, how are you so sure that the fights you listed are going to be better than this...? That alone proves that your opinion is biased.

[Kball15]

Reading and assimilating the information are 2 different and distint things...and you have not done either bro...sorry to telll you have waisted your time....

what? lol? Do u have any idea how much i know about those fights? no, u dont cause i havent discussed them with you.

I know more about the careers of Joe louis and Max shmelling, then you do all of boxing history.

I'd be willing to bet my house on it. lol.

I love how ur SOOO incredibly ******, that ur willing to make assumptions about my knowledge of the sport, without having any idea if ur right or wrong.

I read the book a good 2 times already. Its titled "Beyond Glory" and its almost 450 pages. Its the most informative book i have ever read and its a great book. And i took a TON away from the book as will anyone who reads it.

And with amount of "knowledge" you've shown us on this forumn, u have no right to talk. Its CLEAR you dont know jack ****. You wouldnt even know who Max Baer or James Braddock were if they hadent made cinderella man. lol

Why do u think people are gettin angry with you? because your talkin like u know what ur talkin about, but u just have no idea. And ur completely inaccurate. its funny actually

[Mishra100]

You ever ask yourself why he brings in the pie? I mean I know why people used to watch Tyson but the only explanation I have for why he brings in so much money is the ones I listed above.

A good post from Castillofan when I first asked everyone this question.

"When you have been exposed to the boxing world for a long time, you will understand how important De La Hoya has been to the sport, and how he will continue to be important to it after he retires.

First of all, he was an Olympic gold medallist in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics.

He turned professional and became the first and only fighter to make a million dollars for a four round fight.

He appeals to both the Latin boxing market and the American fans.

He attracts a significant female viewership because of his looks and clean cut image.

He is consistently well-marketed and has been his whole career.

He consistently sought out the best possible opposition and though he was beaten by a few fighters, only against Hopkins was he stopped, and that was at a weight class thirty pounds higher than the weight class in which he turned professional.

I don't count the Sturm win as a title win, but if you overlook that, De La Hoya has won world championships in six weight classes.

He is the highest paid non-heavyweight fighter of all time.

He is building an empire with Golden Boy that is becoming a serious force in boxing promotions, unlike other fighters such as Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones who have begun promotion companies as a means of wresting financial control from their old promoters.

Finally, he's been criticized for some performances and choices, but De La Hoya can really fight.

He controlled Trinidad but took the last few rounds and coasted them and the judges went with Trinidad's aggression in the decision.

He legitimately lost to Mosley the first time in a hell of a fight, but he beat Mosley the second time, but just did not get the decision.

By the way, being that you're new to the game, I'd advise you to reconsider stating anything more to the tune that Julio Cesar Chavez does not have a hold on greatness in boxing. Chavez is now and forever known as the greatest Mexican fighter of all time.

Hope this helped out a bit."

[bigtime9]

why does oscar sell. I have no idea

[Orishaman]

what? lol? Do u have any idea how much i know about those fights? no, u dont cause i havent discussed them with you.

I know more about the careers of Joe louis and Max shmelling, then you do all of boxing history.

I'd be willing to bet my house on it. lol.

I love how ur SOOO incredibly ******, that ur willing to make assumptions about my knowledge of the sport, without having any idea if ur right or wrong.

I read the book a good 2 times already. Its titled "Beyond Glory" and its almost 450 pages. Its the most informative book i have ever read and its a great book. And i took a TON away from the book as will anyone who reads it.

And with amount of "knowledge" you've shown us on this forumn, u have no right to talk. Its CLEAR you dont know jack ****. You wouldnt even know who Max Baer or James Braddock were if they hadent made cinderella man. lol

Why do u think people are gettin angry with you? because your talkin like u know what ur talkin about, but u just have no idea. And ur completely inaccurate. its funny actually

Nothing like people with totally twisted view of themselfs...sorry dude sorry to break it to you...you boxing knowledge is ...at best...limited.....You welcome!!

[Orishaman]

A good post from Castillofan when I first asked everyone this question.

"When you have been exposed to the boxing world for a long time, you will understand how important De La Hoya has been to the sport, and how he will continue to be important to it after he retires.

First of all, he was an Olympic gold medallist in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics.

He turned professional and became the first and only fighter to make a million dollars for a four round fight.

He appeals to both the Latin boxing market and the American fans.

He attracts a significant female viewership because of his looks and clean cut image.

He is consistently well-marketed and has been his whole career.

He consistently sought out the best possible opposition and though he was beaten by a few fighters, only against Hopkins was he stopped, and that was at a weight class thirty pounds higher than the weight class in which he turned professional.

I don't count the Sturm win as a title win, but if you overlook that, De La Hoya has won world championships in six weight classes.

He is the highest paid non-heavyweight fighter of all time.

He is building an empire with Golden Boy that is becoming a serious force in boxing promotions, unlike other fighters such as Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones who have begun promotion companies as a means of wresting financial control from their old promoters.

Finally, he's been criticized for some performances and choices, but De La Hoya can really fight.

He controlled Trinidad but took the last few rounds and coasted them and the judges went with Trinidad's aggression in the decision.

He legitimately lost to Mosley the first time in a hell of a fight, but he beat Mosley the second time, but just did not get the decision.

By the way, being that you're new to the game, I'd advise you to reconsider stating anything more to the tune that Julio Cesar Chavez does not have a hold on greatness in boxing. Chavez is now and forever known as the greatest Mexican fighter of all time.

Hope this helped out a bit."

ODLH is the best example how you can market someone in America if you are white and good looking...sure he won titles, but he was fighting mostly out of weight, dehydrating himself fighting far smaller me...it was a very well calculated carrer the path of the Golden Boy, sure , he made money, more than any other boxer of his generation, but honestly the minute he started to fight on his "ideal" weight, WW and on, he the wins were not comming as often didn't they....he gave away the biggest fight of his life, was givena desicion so he can fight BHop after the Sturm fight and for all I know threw the BHop fight with a fake KO....and now you want me to watch him on a fight that he will be groosly overmatch in speed and skills...please....No...

[Kball15]

Nothing like people with totally twisted view of themselfs...sorry dude sorry to break it to you...you boxing knowledge is ...at best...limited.....You welcome!!

jeez!!! i wanna kill this guy. now he's just pissing me off. Cause, i mean, read ur posts once in a while.

You might think my knowledge is limited, which it isnt at all (i think i would know about how much i know...) but urs is out of whack. U really are clueless arent u.

Im just gonna wait around until u say something really ******... o wait... didnt u already say that Cotto would take out Mayweather? LOL!

what a joke u are. u dont even have limited knowledge. If i had to guess, u started watching boxing last month. there is nothing wrong with that, but at least dont PRETEND like you know what ur talking about because its disgusting.

I bet that the next time, (or the time after that) that u voice ur opinion, its gonna be something rediculously ******, and im excited to rub it in ur face

[bigtime9]

jeez!!! i wanna kill this guy. now he's just pissing me off. Cause, i mean, read ur posts once in a while.

calm down luke use the force

[Njord777]

Orishaman....why are you doing this? Why are you fighting with people who, as you state are sometimes half your age, about how much boxing knowledge you have? It's like arguing about who has the biggest ****. It's about pride and ego- and has degraded into immature arguing that has nothing to do about ACTUAL boxing knowledge anymore. No one is arguing points or views- it's just "I know more than you", "No, dogg, I know more than you". Can everyone drop it? It's simply ludicrous.

I'll answer for you, then, why this is seen as such a big fight. You mention Ali and the other greats as being engaged in some of the all-time best fights. But at the time, when Ali was only twelve fights into his career- or when Sugar Ray had only just had his first big battle...no one knew exactly where there place would be in the annuls of boxing history. In hindsight we realize how great Leonard, Robinson, Ali and Frazier were. In hindsight. But at the time, when history was present day, everyone saw the talent and passion of these fighters- but no one knew where it would stop. They had yet to carve their legends...there is always a beginning.

Mayweather isn't on their league yet- but we can see the skill he possess and many wonder if, when his career is all said and done, if he will be up there with the greats. They see potential, opportunity- and right now youth and ability enough to make it happen.

De la Hoya is one of the biggest non-heavyweight attractions of all time. I mean, whether or not he is the best, or deserves to be listed as one of the biggest attractions, he was a good looking fighter (looks do count) who fought many of the best of his era and had a nice, hard punch to keep things interesting. He was a boxing superstar. Argue his talent, or ability- whatever- he was still a superstar.

Now we have a prime fighter in Mayweather who many believe could be in the act of carving a career to launch him into boxing history. Who better for him to prove to us he belongs? De la Hoya may be the toughest fight of his career when coupled with the caliber of fighter and the weight he is fighting at- for the first time.

This fight is exciting for more than just the fight itself- it is exciting because we may be watching history in the making. It is exciting because of the implications. If Oscar wins...well...the current pound for pound champion and possible all time great will have been bucked off his mantle, right? But if he wins...and wins bigs...it does add to his resume. Like it was said before...Mayweather has the chance, the opportunity, to make many good fights. This could be the beginning. What if he took on :

Hatton
Margarito
Mosley
Wright
Taylor
Williams
Collazo

What is Mayweather dominated them all? Now, we can say why we believe these fights would not happen- or why he would not win- but the point is this is not an era we can look back at. This is present day. We don't know yet where the buck stops...legends are being made as we speak. Mayweather still has the chance to beat every fighter there- and if he wooped those guys, and more, then he would be on ATG lists. Why? Because he beat the best of his era.

Maybe Mayweather isn't ****. Just a decent fighter in a weak era. Maybe he's the most skilled boxer we've seen in a long while who just needs a tough opponent like De la Hoya to show us he can step up. Go from having great talent to making great fights. Point is- only time and battle can test Mayweather and for many that is exactly what this is. A test. We are about to put Floyd in the fire and see if it hardens him or weakens him. Maybe Oscar is too old. Maybe this fight will not be exciting- but people want to see if the fighter they are putting stock in can step up against a better fighter than many he has faced. If he can, then we start looking for him to take on the best. He still has time to carve himself a legend.

Stop fighting, by the by, and discuss. We're not here to bicker. We can disagree...but why get ignorant about it?

[Orishaman]

Orishaman....why are you doing this? Why are you fighting with people who, as you state are sometimes half your age, about how much boxing knowledge you have? It's like arguing about who has the biggest ****. It's about pride and ego- and has degraded into immature arguing that has nothing to do about ACTUAL boxing knowledge anymore. No one is arguing points or views- it's just "I know more than you", "No, dogg, I know more than you". Can everyone drop it? It's simply ludicrous.

I'll answer for you, then, why this is seen as such a big fight. You mention Ali and the other greats as being engaged in some of the all-time best fights. But at the time, when Ali was only twelve fights into his career- or when Sugar Ray had only just had his first big battle...no one knew exactly where there place would be in the annuls of boxing history. In hindsight we realize how great Leonard, Robinson, Ali and Frazier were. In hindsight. But at the time, when history was present day, everyone saw the talent and passion of these fighters- but no one knew where it would stop. They had yet to carve their legends...there is always a beginning.

Mayweather isn't on their league yet- but we can see the skill he possess and many wonder if, when his career is all said and done, if he will be up there with the greats. They see potential, opportunity- and right now youth and ability enough to make it happen.

De la Hoya is one of the biggest non-heavyweight attractions of all time. I mean, whether or not he is the best, or deserves to be listed as one of the biggest attractions, he was a good looking fighter (looks do count) who fought many of the best of his era and had a nice, hard punch to keep things interesting. He was a boxing superstar. Argue his talent, or ability- whatever- he was still a superstar.

Now we have a prime fighter in Mayweather who many believe could be in the act of carving a career to launch him into boxing history. Who better for him to prove to us he belongs? De la Hoya may be the toughest fight of his career when coupled with the caliber of fighter and the weight he is fighting at- for the first time.

This fight is exciting for more than just the fight itself- it is exciting because we may be watching history in the making. It is exciting because of the implications. If Oscar wins...well...the current pound for pound champion and possible all time great will have been bucked off his mantle, right? But if he wins...and wins bigs...it does add to his resume. Like it was said before...Mayweather has the chance, the opportunity, to make many good fights. This could be the beginning. What if he took on :

Hatton
Margarito
Mosley
Wright
Taylor
Williams
Collazo

What is Mayweather dominated them all? Now, we can say why we believe these fights would not happen- or why he would not win- but the point is this is not an era we can look back at. This is present day. We don't know yet where the buck stops...legends are being made as we speak. Mayweather still has the chance to beat every fighter there- and if he wooped those guys, and more, then he would be on ATG lists. Why? Because he beat the best of his era.

Maybe Mayweather isn't ****. Just a decent fighter in a weak era. Maybe he's the most skilled boxer we've seen in a long while who just needs a tough opponent like De la Hoya to show us he can step up. Go from having great talent to making great fights. Point is- only time and battle can test Mayweather and for many that is exactly what this is. A test. We are about to put Floyd in the fire and see if it hardens him or weakens him. Maybe Oscar is too old. Maybe this fight will not be exciting- but people want to see if the fighter they are putting stock in can step up against a better fighter than many he has faced. If he can, then we start looking for him to take on the best. He still has time to carve himself a legend.

Stop fighting, by the by, and discuss. We're not here to bicker. We can disagree...but why get ignorant about it?

Good post …but your theory has one flaw, any boxer in history that was trying to transcend into history clearly knew what needed to be done….back in the days of SRR you knew you needed to fight the best. Fight them and if you won and it was not clear you fight them again, clean your division and keep moving forward. So by your theory you also are making my point, that for PBF to be considered great he needed to beat more than a few good boxers, PBF started his career on the right track started to compiled victories toward that goal of greatness, and he was well on his way at JRLW and LW but after that something change, he started to see himself greater than what he was and opted to for trips to the bank than to arena to fight the best out there, and this trend got even more obvious at WW…and at this point he IMO he will need far more than a win over ODLH to get back on track for to were he was before the JRWW jump….he is still young enough that he could salvage his legacy…I am not impress easily and his wins over a shot Gatti, a shot Sharmbe, Judah and a tough but obvious outgunned and outmatch Tata are not what I call blue chippers….ODLh merely would be a start..and he will need to go back to WW, and do what make great boxers transcend and what you so eloquently stated “clean the division” against the best of the WW, then retire and after that let history place him were he true place will be…but the fact that he wants history know and he self proclaimed his greatness shows insecurities and honeslty a very inflated view of himself an total disrespect for the history of Boxing, hell at this point he is not even on my top 10 WW’s of all time…..but it is time left for him to address these issues and if he wins then like I said history will know his true place amont the ATG’s….