Willie Pep and Floyd Mayweather

[RE1600]

best ever??????? i dont think so roberto duran would of flattened him sorry

[pink panther]

He says he changed his attitude somewhat. He said he used to just fight for the money but now he fights for his legacy. That other side of him is still in him though.

I hope so. It would be a shame if his undoubted talent and eventual legacy is effected by his attitude. I just hope for his sake, if what he says about the importance of legacy to him is true, that he realises the true greats weren't just great boxers... they were adored and respected by boxing fans - how a boxer and a sportsman handles himself has a massive impact on that.

[RE1600]

and im a big fan of pbf

[pink panther]

best ever??????? i dont think so roberto duran would of flattened him sorry

That promps a question - who was more skilled Mayweather or Sugar Ray - may well go some way to answering the question of who would win between Durran and Mayweather.

[RE1600]

whitaker was a freak defensivly but just not a big puncher lets not forget he started his career at lightweight maybe even superfeather i think he beat oscar but i have to admit oscar was doing all the work and did press forward

[RE1600]

not being a smartass but mayweather is not in the same league as sugar ray that guy is one of the all time greats like muhumad ali sugar ray robinson imho

[RE1600]

i dont think pbf would last 6 rounds with tommy hearns etc and ive seen the hearns v durran fight lets not forget durran was past his prime but i think tommy might of beat him up even if he was that right hand was deadly

[El Jesus]

maybe because Whitaker's time there wasnt the internet to know who really hated him so you dont see the hater alot.

as well as most of the time after retirment people tend to forget some of the **** he made

this is exactly the ****in case, i never knew not a single person who liked whitaker other than sweet science lovers and black boxing fans. alot of mexican fight fans absolutely hated him.

[El Jesus]

The majority of fighters who step through the ropes at any sort of level have to believe in themselves if they want to achieve sucess.

Mayweathers talent is undoubted, however he comes across as a complete tit. His arrogance knows no bounds and he handles himself with a lack of dignity.

Its ok to be brash and bold and full of yourself if you have the personality and intelligence to pull it of re: Ali. Floyd simply doesn't and therefore comes across as more of an irritant.

Personally I took issue with his attitude after the Castillo fight, which he was gifted IMO and I hope in the opinion of any true boxing fan. He just jabbered on and on about how he would not make any excuses and imeadiatly began complaining about his hand, his arm and his rotator cuff etc. It just smacked of a petulant child. He should have given Castillo a little more respect. On the other hand you then have Castillo who having been robbed just dealt with it with good grace. It would be interesting to know what the Mayweather fans thought about this?

I actually believe Floyd is at this moment the finest fighter out there but he doesn't do himself any favours in the eyes of many boxing fans.

who ****in cares, he rematched him and won convincingly thus bringing a slight edge in credibility to his injury claims. nobody likes someone who talks a game of **** and backs it up, its just how it is in life. nobody likes dynasties, nobody likes it when the same people keep beating the **** out of someone and gloat about it, then do it again and again.

you talk about giving castillo a little bit more respect, why the hell should he? so we can all sit there and talk about how great of a guy he is? none of that **** has any bearing on his performence in the ring. in the ring he took care of buisness, twice, and thats all i myself honestly care about. im not concerned with any externals that mean absolutely nothing in the grand sceheme of what makes a fighter great.

[Abe Attell]

i dont think pbf would last 6 rounds with tommy hearns etc and ive seen the hearns v durran fight lets not forget durran was past his prime but i think tommy might of beat him up even if he was that right hand was deadly

I don't see Mayweather Jr. beating Hearns either, but lets remember, Floyd started at lightweight...Ray Leonard was a welterweight, had a very good chin, speed, and power to allow himself to stand at the gates of the great Hearns.

Then again, I am not sure if they did the little weight-drain back then, anybody know?

Floyd's little shoulder roll crap isn't going to work with a piston jab and a mother ****ing bomb of a right hand from Hearns...does anybody remember how fast this guy was, it looked like he was matching Leonard's speed in their first fight, or maybe it was just the reach advantage. Have to go back and check, but he was beating up Leonard until he got caught.