Willie Pep and Floyd Mayweather

[Kid Achilles]

Who cares if Pep was looking to get paid, his record speaks for itself. Mayweather's record is nothing special, except for in the context of his own era. Good record for 2006 but zoom out and get a look at the bigger picture and suddenly it's underwhelming.

The people hugging Mayweather's nuts often have little historical perspective. They are usually the same people who actually think Evander Holyfield was the heavyweight champion of the world 4-5 times or whatever the newest number is (maybe Oquendo had been given some kind of belt for coming out of retirement which would bump it up one ).

Mayweather is the best fighter today. Period. That's it though. I don't see how he's any better than Roy Jones Jr., Pernell Whitaker, Cesar Chavez, Bernard Hopkins, or even James Toney. I certainly don't think he's better than Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran. I've only gone back 30 years or so and I've already named some guys who I think were better or at least equal pound for pound fighters. He'll need many more victories to prove himself above these guys, and that's just the begining. There are so many greats, SO MANY, in the history of gloved fighting, that to announce Mayweather as anything better than the best of his time, currently, is such a profoundly shortsighted and irritating statement that I have to respond with anger, as a fan of boxing and a student of it's history.

I don't hate Mayweather, but I don't think he's all that great. Best fighter today? Okay, fine but Pacquaio is catching up to even that claim. But ever? Come on, put down the pipe, the dust, the bottle, or whatever the hell you're on. He's done very well so far, and is on the path to greatness, but he's not even close yet. Not even close.

[-EX-]

When he has 5 titles in 5 different weightclasses I think he may be the best of his time.


All of you talk about Floyd handpicking opponents. Who would you have liked him to fight? He fought 6'0 tall Corrales and embarassed him, beat Castillo twice, and beat other fighters with titles. Bruseles wasn't a great opponent but every fighter would like a easy fight now and then. He fought Sharmba Mitchell as a tune up for 147. Who would you have liked him to fight?

Don't give me that Margarito crap...Floyd would outbox his ass all night.

[butterfly1964]

"What I want is to do the best I can, make all the money I can, without getting hurt. To me, it's the art of self-defense."

this is what pep said (courtesy of Asian Sensation article), how is it that no one calls or called him a ***** or a girl?

Pep, by ud.

[butterfly1964]

Who cares if Pep was looking to get paid, his record speaks for itself. Mayweather's record is nothing special, except for in the context of his own era. Good record for 2006 but zoom out and get a look at the bigger picture and suddenly it's underwhelming.

The people hugging Mayweather's nuts often have little historical perspective. They are usually the same people who actually think Evander Holyfield was the heavyweight champion of the world 4-5 times or whatever the newest number is (maybe Oquendo had been given some kind of belt for coming out of retirement which would bump it up one ).

Mayweather is the best fighter today. Period. That's it though. I don't see how he's any better than Roy Jones Jr., Pernell Whitaker, Cesar Chavez, Bernard Hopkins, or even James Toney. I certainly don't think he's better than Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran. I've only gone back 30 years or so and I've already named some guys who I think were better or at least equal pound for pound fighters. He'll need many more victories to prove himself above these guys, and that's just the begining. There are so many greats, SO MANY, in the history of gloved fighting, that to announce Mayweather as anything better than the best of his time, currently, is such a profoundly shortsighted and irritating statement that I have to respond with anger, as a fan of boxing and a student of it's history.

I don't hate Mayweather, but I don't think he's all that great. Best fighter today? Okay, fine but Pacquaio is catching up to even that claim. But ever? Come on, put down the pipe, the dust, the bottle, or whatever the hell you're on. He's done very well so far, and is on the path to greatness, but he's not even close yet. Not even close.

Great post.

[wmute]

Good looks on the shoutout, that quote is from a 1950 Time Magazine Article following his knockout loss to Sandy Saddler.

I think that people see the primary difference in that Mayweather comes across as a totally unlikeable guy sometimes. They don't like to see a villain who villifies his opponents win, in school yard terminology, "cheap". Also, every great fighter needs to have proven his valor at one time, an instance when they are forced to the edge and they decide to hell with it, I need to fight. And Floyd Mayweather has thusfar averted such a circumstance.

I dunno, it's just something in me, I grew up a blue collar kid who was always taught to give everybody props and to treat everyone with respect. The man I am has quarrels with people who behave like he does most of the time. But he can do whatever he wants, it's not my business.

I personally dont like listening to mayweather interviews and I dont like his
larger than life attitude,

but I HATE people dissing him for his style or the fact that he wants money. it is not like he screws up anyone or deals **** to make the money.

[wmute]

Who cares if Pep was looking to get paid, his record speaks for itself. Mayweather's record is nothing special, except for in the context of his own era. Good record for 2006 but zoom out and get a look at the bigger picture and suddenly it's underwhelming.

The people hugging Mayweather's nuts often have little historical perspective. They are usually the same people who actually think Evander Holyfield was the heavyweight champion of the world 4-5 times or whatever the newest number is (maybe Oquendo had been given some kind of belt for coming out of retirement which would bump it up one ).

Mayweather is the best fighter today. Period. That's it though. I don't see how he's any better than Roy Jones Jr., Pernell Whitaker, Cesar Chavez, Bernard Hopkins, or even James Toney. I certainly don't think he's better than Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran. I've only gone back 30 years or so and I've already named some guys who I think were better or at least equal pound for pound fighters. He'll need many more victories to prove himself above these guys, and that's just the begining. There are so many greats, SO MANY, in the history of gloved fighting, that to announce Mayweather as anything better than the best of his time, currently, is such a profoundly shortsighted and irritating statement that I have to respond with anger, as a fan of boxing and a student of it's history.

I don't hate Mayweather, but I don't think he's all that great. Best fighter today? Okay, fine but Pacquaio is catching up to even that claim. But ever? Come on, put down the pipe, the dust, the bottle, or whatever the hell you're on. He's done very well so far, and is on the path to greatness, but he's not even close yet. Not even close.

As I said I dont like comparing fighters when they did not finish their careers. But you have to explain to me what should prevent anyone who is into that from mentioning Mayweather among the greats.

Is there anything BAD to see in his fighting so far? NO.

There is only a few question marks that need to be answered (does he have a great heart and a great chin, to go along with the rest?).
By saying that mayweather should not be mentioned with the greats, you are implying that the answers to those questions should be assumed to be "NO". If you do this, you are being just as wrong as those who assume the answers are "YES"

(what I highlighted in bold makes it really hard for me to believe, that you have neutral feelings towards this fighter)

[GunStar]

Difference is Floyd hand picks his opponents.

Can you answer me this, who has hand picked their opponents more Floyd or Calzaghe and Hatton combined??

I'm talking about 2 fighters against 1 here.

[GunStar]

Pep, by ud.

How do u know this???

[Yogi]

Can you answer me this, who has hand picked their opponents more Floyd or Calzaghe and Hatton combined??

I'm talking about 2 fighters against 1 here.

Gunner, if you're trying to defend Mayweather with that post, which I think you are, then the logic you're trying to use is ass backwards.

[GunStar]

Gunner, if you're trying to defend Mayweather with that post, which I think you are, then the logic you're trying to use is ass backwards.

Lol, I was trying to make a point. But Floyd resume is pretty damn good, he started his career at 130 and is fighting now at 154, funny thing is Floyd does not gain any weight during fight night, I see boxers who are fighting at lightweight that are as heavy as Floyd is during fight night.