James Toney vs Sam Langford

[Ascended]

Color adds depth. It's the camera speed that makes fighters from earlier eras look wonky. You already know this though because I've taught you well. If it were just black and white with no improvement in camera speed everyone would still be walking around like Chaplin. Don't worry, you don't have to thank me!!

Here is floyd in color now with better cam, and he advanced more because he learned more. This being in color or better cam has nothing to do with me being able to see the advances because I've seen the advances even in black and white, so you're exposed bad, and your odd theory of color or better cam quality has nothing to do with people being able to see way more advanced angles, fluids, timing, and defense.


Oh and every guy in the louis era even himself became more advanced the more matches they fought or are you going to act like fighters don't become more advanced in a era by learning more and fixing flaws

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[JAB5239]

Here is floyd in color now with better cam, and he advanced more because he learned more. This being in color or better cam has nothing to do with me being able to see the advances because I've seen the advances even in black and white, so you're exposed bad, and your odd theory of color or better cam quality has nothing to do with people being able to see way more advanced angles, fluids, timing, and defense.


Oh and every guy in the louis era even himself became more advanced the more matches they fought or are you going to act like fighters don't become more advanced in a era by learning more and fixing flaws

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The more fights you have does not determine form or techniques up to a certain point. In fact as fighters age the start losing form and technique because they don't have the same reflexes.

Floyd is very technical. But so was Benny Leonard.. film matter kid. You have been the only one expised......again.

[Ascended]

This is good. I especially like the white guy style. Have you ever seen these no-name jab25? This looks great. Look at the angles. The white man uses his ability to counter/keep range. The black man can't hit him hardly.

this is 40s have you seen these guys this looks really impressive no one talks of these guy's

[them_apples]

This is good. I especially like the white guy style. Have you ever seen these no-name jab25? This looks great. Look at the angles. The white man uses his ability to counter/keep range. The black man can't hit him hardly.

this is 40s have you seen these guys this looks really impressive no one talks of these guy's

They look like good ass fighters with a lot of savvy and experience. What looks bad is the poor film quality. You are watching fuzzy film from a distance that was never captured at 60fps. Because you are a simple man this will never register with you though.

[them_apples]

What does walking have to do with what I said? Your comment doesn't make any sense. You slow person. Everything that has advanced with people can't all be looked at the same way, which makes your comment invalid. so stop

I'm specifically talking about camera effects, camera quality, and angles used with cameras in general, not a person walking, so stop acting ******.yes in all these areas they advanced alot from his time vs 70s-80s movies/shows prove this as fact

Acting was horrible in chaps time compared to even the 50s and 60s, which I consider the best as far as face expressions goes and acting. Alot of people do for the same reason
So you're an idiot like always.

Dude you are lost, can you understand anything? You said it yourself “words mean nothing to me”. Or something like that

[Ascended]

They look like good ass fighters with a lot of savvy and experience. What looks bad is the poor film quality. You are watching fuzzy film from a distance that was never captured at 60fps. Because you are a simple man this will never register with you though.

You’re still not happy are you I give these fighters respect yet you chose to insult me rude man you are,why would I need to see it in 60 if I already see the great skills all that would do for me is see them smoother

[Willow The Wisp]

This is good. I especially like the white guy style. Have you ever seen these no-name jab25? This looks great. Look at the angles. The white man uses his ability to counter/keep range. The black man can't hit him hardly.

this is 40s have you seen these guys this looks really impressive no one talks of these guy's

Ike Williams was a talented fighter, pure and simple; He moved quickly, struck fast and hard with devastating blows, and was game; He lost a few key fights but won a lot more; During his career, he won the Lightweight Championship of the World.
Ike defeated such men as Kid Gavilan, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Sammy Angott, Juan Zurita, Johnny Bratton, Tippy Larkin, Freddie Dawson, Joe Miceli, Gene Burton, Lulu Constantino, Dave Castilloux, Luther "Slugger" White, Lester Felton, John L. Davis, Charley Salas, Livio Minelli, Eddie Giosa, Enrique Bolanos, Bobby Ruffin, Vic Cardell, Fitzie Pruden, Cleo Shans, Ralph Zanelli, Rudy Cruz and Jesse Flores.

Herb Goldman (a good friend of mine who shares my passion for boxing history), ranked Williams as the #11 All-Time Lightweight; Ike was inducted into the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame in 1978, the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1983 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1990.

Learn more, echo chamber conclude the old movie watch less.....


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[Willow The Wisp]

I deleted my comment. It was inflammatory.

[billeau2]

Y'all decide what weights, for what, whatever situations you like.

What brought this about is I believe JT and Lang are the men with the most belts not recognized as major or legitimate titles at HW/CW. I'm including CW because it's not a thing in Sam's time and I just think it's interesting these two great MWs have so many larger than MW titles.

I was just looking to see who is the HW champion of some of these lesser known orgs and Toney comes up quiet often, so I checked CW and man he's there even more. WBF, WBU, IBU, IBA, IBO, and IBC.

Back in the day Langford was easily the king of the unter-belt. He's been crowned by french (FBF Jeanette 10) and british (NSC Hague) and of course his five time Colored HW crown. 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, and 1917. And the Mexican title in 23.

I thought it was interesting.

Great match you conceived of. Langford had more accolades but stylistically Tony at his best could really do a number on an opponent like Sam. He could take the punches and counter all night. This would be a great fight. Both guys could fight at any weight and loved to fight so in a way that's not an issue here. I couldn't even say who would win lol.

[billeau2]

The more fights you have does not determine form or techniques up to a certain point. In fact as fighters age the start losing form and technique because they don't have the same reflexes.

Floyd is very technical. But so was Benny Leonard.. film matter kid. You have been the only one expised......again.

Looks like someone "ascended" Mom's basement again...