I never understood the hype around Listons jab

[QueensburyRules]

None of them fought Liston and none of them moved in the way Ali did. The closet would be Holmes. The others not even close.

- -Tubby Lar in the closet alert!

[QueensburyRules]

Dismissing Liston’s reach makes no sense.

His reach played into why his jab was so effective.

Clearly he had an excellent jab, not only did it set up his combinations but also varied from finding his range and also just using is as a weapon when he really stepped in on it.

- -Sonny like every fighter of intelligence made full use of his physical assets in combat.

A big Duh for forum idjits always trying to dumb down a fighter from his physical and mental assets.

[billeau2]

Didn't Liston also knock people down with his jab?

It was a combination "Pole axe" and when he wanted to he could throw a standard jab. Liston was amazingly methodical in his approach. Keeping someone at the end of your jab meant you can hit them and they cannot hit you...Im talking nine times out of ten if you had Liston's reach. Liston used this to put his weight into the shot. But Liston could throw a traditional jab with the best of them.

I always like to implore people to try something to understand why it is what it is... For someone like Foreman, it was easiest to throw and get on in where your punch was effective. Liston, on the other hand, would coordinate his shots with a step and a half foot movement. So Liston managed to get his weight into the shots while moving with his opponent. Our natural tendency is to stop movng when we punch...

Try following a friend, and on command grounding the punch and following up with the next punch. Most guys who fight like this do not have a big punch because they cannot ground on contact (when moving). You can go slow, the dynamics are the same lol.

[The Old LefHook]

And Sonny had the feet to track and harry even Cassius in their first fight. He was always on top of him, but his mitts could not penetrate Clay's radar.

[Anthony342]

It was a combination "Pole axe" and when he wanted to he could throw a standard jab. Liston was amazingly methodical in his approach. Keeping someone at the end of your jab meant you can hit them and they cannot hit you...Im talking nine times out of ten if you had Liston's reach. Liston used this to put his weight into the shot. But Liston could throw a traditional jab with the best of them.

I always like to implore people to try something to understand why it is what it is... For someone like Foreman, it was easiest to throw and get on in where your punch was effective. Liston, on the other hand, would coordinate his shots with a step and a half foot movement. So Liston managed to get his weight into the shots while moving with his opponent. Our natural tendency is to stop movng when we punch...

Try following a friend, and on command grounding the punch and following up with the next punch. Most guys who fight like this do not have a big punch because they cannot ground on contact (when moving). You can go slow, the dynamics are the same lol.

I'll take that as a yes then.

[QueensburyRules]

It was a combination "Pole axe" and when he wanted to he could throw a standard jab. Liston was amazingly methodical in his approach. Keeping someone at the end of your jab meant you can hit them and they cannot hit you...Im talking nine times out of ten if you had Liston's reach. Liston used this to put his weight into the shot. But Liston could throw a traditional jab with the best of them.

I always like to implore people to try something to understand why it is what it is... For someone like Foreman, it was easiest to throw and get on in where your punch was effective. Liston, on the other hand, would coordinate his shots with a step and a half foot movement. So Liston managed to get his weight into the shots while moving with his opponent. Our natural tendency is to stop movng when we punch...

Try following a friend, and on command grounding the punch and following up with the next punch. Most guys who fight like this do not have a big punch because they cannot ground on contact (when moving). You can go slow, the dynamics are the same lol.

- -Few if any opponents can be found to follow the commands of their opponent.

I mean, SHEEESH, what planet did U beam down from, Uranus?

[billeau2]

- -Few if any opponents can be found to follow the commands of their opponent.

I mean, SHEEESH, what planet did U beam down from, Uranus?

commands? what are you talking about? go back to the sauce idiot.

[QueensburyRules]

commands? what are you talking about? go back to the sauce idiot.

- -U said "command" and I quoted U.

When U blubber gonna git thee off U commode to join the literate boxing society?

[Willie Pep 229]

It was a combination "Pole axe" and when he wanted to he could throw a standard jab. Liston was amazingly methodical in his approach. Keeping someone at the end of your jab meant you can hit them and they cannot hit you...Im talking nine times out of ten if you had Liston's reach. Liston used this to put his weight into the shot. But Liston could throw a traditional jab with the best of them.

I always like to implore people to try something to understand why it is what it is... For someone like Foreman, it was easiest to throw and get on in where your punch was effective. Liston, on the other hand, would coordinate his shots with a step and a half foot movement. So Liston managed to get his weight into the shots while moving with his opponent. Our natural tendency is to stop movng when we punch...

Try following a friend, and on command grounding the punch and following up with the next punch. Most guys who fight like this do not have a big punch because they cannot ground on contact (when moving). You can go slow, the dynamics are the same lol.

This might be old news for you but are you familiar with the Dempsey Roll?

This seems a similar action to what you were describing with Liston.

From: The Modern Marital Artist


"The Dempsey Roll was not one move, but a combination of punches built of Dempsey’s unorthodox techniques, . . . the first pieces of it are what Dempsey names in his book as the drop step and trigger step. The drop step is how Dempsey began each punch to build momentum. He would lean all his weight onto his front leg, and then quickly lift it up. This “triggered” his back leg to save him from falling, quickly pushing him forward. This technique allowed Dempsey to put all of his weight into each punch, as he was essentially falling forward into his opponent and catching himself…with his fist…on their face."

[billeau2]

- -U said "command" and I quoted U.

When U blubber gonna git thee off U commode to join the literate boxing society?

You accuse of Ginsberg and speak in koans...what a hypocrite. Your as a ss to me until you take the time to read the posts, and respond intelligently. You have shown you can do so, but its been a while...

In this case, you are out of context and the post should tell you that. I am referring to setting up an opponent and the ability to pursue while moving, and throwing combos while grounded enough to transfer power.

this might clarify: Chris Byrd is a talented fighter, he moves very nicely in the ring, but, cannot transfer power, his ability to root his weight momentarily (really more like in a split second) is lacking. It is a quality the great Chinese boxers had by the way. They did not have the physical strength to use arm punches, etc.

So I just took two minutes of my life to give you a thoughtful, legible response. Can you do the same in responding?