Mike Weaver vs Cleveland Williams

[billeau2]

Nice retreat.


Liston was very good at fighting a head to head battle against out-matched opponents. But once he met resistance his confidence dropped off precipitously. He was ineffective at cutting off the ring; he was predictable; and even if his jaw was solid, his heart was lacking.

Coetzee was less skilled, but he was even more physically imposing. His shortcoming wasn't confidence, it was poor conditioning and lack of refinement.

Michael Spinks was a bigger Heavyweight than Floyd Patterson ever was, and you see how he was undersized compared to 80s Heavyweights.

Liston was a big strong puncher with an arsenal. You, I, nobody an know intangibles like confidence and heart. He fought with a broken jaw, he quit against Ali... Coetzee was a different class of fighter with very little and not comparable to Liston. Michael Spinks was not a heavyweight.

[joseph5620]

Maybe better if you study up on Boxing for a while before posting again. Otherwise, people might think you're re.tarded.

Yeah right......

[Rusty Tromboni]

Liston was a big strong puncher with an arsenal. You, I, nobody an know intangibles like confidence and heart. He fought with a broken jaw, he quit against Ali... Coetzee was a different class of fighter with very little and not comparable to Liston.

Again, more baseless claims that run counter to demonstrable evidence. Refer to their records. Watch their fights. Hagiographical articles might be entertaining and informative, but they don't pass for evidence. On the contrary, they've imparted you with a bias that causes you to pervert the implication of pretty obvious facts: quitting against Ali; suffering a broken jaw to a LHw club fighter.


You're a nice guy, and your interest in the concept of Boxing is appreciable. But you make assumptions based on rumor, and get ruffled when presented with facts that contest your fantasy.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah right......

At least you've acknowledged the problem.

[joseph5620]

At least you've acknowledged the problem.

Liston would have knocked Coetzee silly.

[billeau2]

Again, more baseless claims that run counter to demonstrable evidence. Refer to their records. Watch their fights. Hagiographical articles might be entertaining and informative, but they don't pass for evidence. On the contrary, they've imparted you with a bias that causes you to pervert the implication of pretty obvious facts: quitting against Ali; suffering a broken jaw to a LHw club fighter.


You're a nice guy, and your interest in the concept of Boxing is appreciable. But you make assumptions based on rumor, and get ruffled when presented with facts that contest your fantasy.

Your an idiot. My description of Liston is not baseless, it is probably what most people who are not casuals would accept as a basic description of his attributes. Do you really post other than to be a troll pookie?

You get away with posting BS and saying the dumbest things... I did not even give any detailed information about Liston beyond a basic description... Seriously stop spouting such BS...Go into the general section... ridiculous.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Michael Spinks was not a heavyweight.

That's funny seeing as he was Heavyweight CHAMPION. Something which Cleveland Williams and Leotis Martin never were.

6'3" 205 lbs. - what division does that qualify for?

The opposite is true: in previous generations Mike would've never been anything other than a Heavyweight.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Liston would have knocked Coetzee silly.

Just like he knocked Ali and Martin silly?

Liston was a bi*tch. Have all the parades you want, you people are what you are. You can't change nothing.

I'll tell you what. I'll bake you and Sonny Liston a wedding cake if you can show me the fight that proves he can handle Coetzee's offense.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Your an idiot.

Look at that celebrated NYC education on full display. AOC is gonna recruit this guy to handle her Twitter account.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Your an idiot. My description of Liston is not baseless, it is probably what most people who are not casuals would accept as a basic description of his attributes. Do you really post other than to be a troll pookie?

You get away with posting BS and saying the dumbest things... I did not even give any detailed information about Liston beyond a basic description... Seriously stop spouting such BS...Go into the general section... ridiculous.

You didn't give detailed information because you can't. I invited you to explicitly what made him so skilled and you deflected.

Same as when I illustrated your reliance on others' opinions for finding your own, and you again committed the fallacy of appeal to authority.

You really can't substantiate what makes Liston good. You know that other people think he's good; but when called on to provide the reasoning you prefer to insult me, preferring to project your own ignorance on me.

Weaver has a more impressive track record than Liston and Williams. Coetzee has more impressive performances. Again, this is witnessed in available footage.

I'm sure in your world the planet is square, the sky is pink, water is drier than sandpaper, and Times Square was better when **********s were soliciting tourists standing in line for hot dawwwwgs and kinishes.... and that is why you're in a straight-jacket.