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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostLineal doesn't mean shyt when you are fighting faded opponents. Genaro Hernandez was done by the time he fought Floyd, it was his last pro fight, Baldomir was shot and never great, came into the fight with his 9 losses. Castillo got robbed, so technically Floyd should never have won that title from him. Oscar was well past his prime. As usual with Mayweather, when you clear away the smoke and remove the carnival mirrors, you see the truth behind the legacy.
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Originally posted by TBear View PostI understand you are a Mayweather fan, so when the Ring names him "Ring" champion, you assume he is lineal champion in all those divisions. Understand I am neither a Mayweather fan or a Mayweather hater. I just call it as I see it. And I was around before the Ring adopted that policy to fill "Ring title Vacancies". Previous to that if there was no lineal champion it was made when a fighter became the undisputed champion. Lennox Lewis did that, Tszyu even did it and Mayorga earned it when he beat Forrest. Mayorga lost to Spinks and down the line Mayweather earned it when he beat Baldomir. But Mayweather was not in to unifying titles in other divisions aside from super featherweight when he beat Corrales for two thirds if a title. It would not be hard for any "Star" to do this. Other stars welcomed the opportunity to prove themselves. If Mayweather fought in the era of Leonard do realistic fans think he would take the chance to fight an undefeated Tommy Hearns to prove himself? That is what real champions do.
With the politics and mandatories of today it IS hard to unify all 4 belts hence why it's so rarely been done in recent memory.
Also, shoulder roll is correct in Mayweather being a 5 time Lineal Champion. Nothing to do with The Ring belt.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostLineal doesn't mean shyt when you are fighting faded opponents. Genaro Hernandez was done by the time he fought Floyd, it was his last pro fight, Baldomir was shot and never great, came into the fight with his 9 losses. Castillo got robbed, so technically Floyd should never have won that title from him. Oscar was well past his prime. As usual with Mayweather, when you clear away the smoke and remove the carnival mirrors, you see the truth behind the legacy.
Are you aware why it was his last fight?
Baldomir shot??? That's a new one.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostOne has nothing to do with the other. I'm sure there are some people who thought Bradley legit beat Pac in their first fight, but MOST anyone who watched it viewed it as a robbery. It is universally agreed upon by a majority that Bradley got a gift. Just as it is universally agreed upon that Floyd got a gift.
50% of the media had Floyd beating Castillo.
1% of the media had Bradley beating Pacquaio.
Floyd-Castillo was an either way fight.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostStupid comparison.
50% of the media had Floyd beating Castillo.
1% of the media had Bradley beating Pacquaio.
Floyd-Castillo was an either way fight.
The media is hardly an endorsement, it does figure into the whole picture regarding a decision though, fair enough...
No, that was not an either way fight. It may not have been a robbery but Floyd was handed a gift, points deducted, etc lol.
If Floyd had otherwise been dominant in his so called unification quest, I would not even respond to this: Every fighter deserves a few breaks... Ward, who I am a big fan of certainly got a break in that first Kovalev fight... BUt Floyd has a pattern of needing the judges in wins that are hardly convincing. Oscar, Madianna, Castillo, etc. it makes one reflect on what Floyd would look like against a guy who fought other prime ATG's at the best weight for each.
Oh and in this day and age a guy like Broner can claim to be a multiple champ, that does not speak to the difficulty of unification, just saying.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostGenraro was no where near shot.
Are you aware why it was his last fight?
Baldomir shot??? That's a new one.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View PostHernandez was done. Already beaten by DLH. Funny you think Baldomir was a young lion with 9 losses. I expect nothing less from the Pom-Pom shakers.
Genaro was no where near done as a fighter. You have no clue.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostYes stupid comparison
The media is hardly an endorsement, it does figure into the whole picture regarding a decision though, fair enough...
No, that was not an either way fight. It may not have been a robbery but Floyd was handed a gift, points deducted, etc lol.
If Floyd had otherwise been dominant in his so called unification quest, I would not even respond to this: Every fighter deserves a few breaks... Ward, who I am a big fan of certainly got a break in that first Kovalev fight... BUt Floyd has a pattern of needing the judges in wins that are hardly convincing. Oscar, Madianna, Castillo, etc. it makes one reflect on what Floyd would look like against a guy who fought other prime ATG's at the best weight for each.
Oh and in this day and age a guy like Broner can claim to be a multiple champ, that does not speak to the difficulty of unification, just saying.
How is two fights out of 50 a pattern? Maidana and Castillo were his only two either way fights and he rematched both. That's not a pattern.
Broner has never been Lineal Champion so yet another poor comparison.
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