Joe Louis vs Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman?

[Dr. Z]

Many experts still rank Joe Louis as the greatest Heavyweight of all time, so how would Joe Louis in his prime have done against Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman?

He beats Frazer , but definitely loses to Ali, and likely looses to Liston and Foreman. 1-3 I say. The hardest fight to call is the Frazier fight.

[Dr. Z]

How do you honourable gents see rematches between Louis and these 3 killers going?

Louis was incredible in rematches over the years.

Schmeling 1 - KO loss
Schmeling 2 - KO1 win

Godoy 1 - very tough points win
Godoy 2 - KO win

Conn 1 - Outboxed until late KO win
Conn 2 - Comfortable KO win

JJWalcott 1 - Should have lost
JJWalcott 2 - KO win.

To add more if the Walcott fight was scored on the 10 point must system Louis is a loser even with the bad decision!

If the Conn fight was 12 round Louis losses with the dudes scores. Conn was 168 pounds!

Watch the first Godoy fight! Gody seems to be the better in the shown 20 minutes on so and you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLbLGeTHIJA

[Willie Pep 229]

To add more if the Walcott fight was scored on the 10 point must system Louis is a loser even with the bad decision!

If the Conn fight was 12 round Louis losses with the dudes scores. Conn was 168 pounds!

Watch the first Godoy fight! Gody seems to be the better in the shown 20 minutes on so and you tube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLbLGeTHIJA

But it wasn't, and we have to question if flash KDs (over two rounds,) should be worth the same as losing four 10-9 rounds. Maybe round scoring is a better system for identifying the true winner, then again maybe it's not.

But it wasn't, so we have no clue if Louis would have paced himself differently in a 12 round fight.

But he didn't. Winning the first 20 minutes in any sports means nothing if you're not winning at the end.

[Willow The Wisp]

Thread settled by post # 5.
More relevance found in the 2nd Walcott fight than in the 1st when assessing what Louis could do.

[Willie Pep 229]

Thread settled by post # 5.
More relevance found in the 2nd Walcott fight than in the 1st when assessing what Louis could do.

Where is Lefty?

[QueensburyRules]

Where is Lefty?

- - Teensy say Leffy banished. Maybe he still looking for his new Chinese teef his misplaced in his wardrobe closet.

[Dr. Z]

But it wasn't, and we have to question if flash KDs (over two rounds,) should be worth the same as losing four 10-9 rounds. Maybe round scoring is a better system for identifying the true winner, then again maybe it's not.

But it wasn't, so we have no clue if Louis would have paced himself differently in a 12 round fight.

But he didn't. Winning the first 20 minutes in any sports means nothing if you're not winning at the end.

The footage I have seen includes the early round and the finish. It is missing several minutes in between.

12 rounds would not change Conn's performance. He game out for the KO after a big 12 round, and got KO'd himself.

[Willie Pep 229]

The footage I have seen includes the early round and the finish. It is missing several minutes in between.

12 rounds would not change Conn's performance. He game out for the KO after a big 12 round, and got KO'd himself.

Agree on Conn but not on Louis. He may have stepped up his game.

Historically we have to ask ourselves if fighters approached a 45 round title fight different than a 20 round go. I believe we would see a different approach/performance and have to take that into account when visually assessing their game.

I am not saying Louis would have, or that the results would have changed, only that it is a qualification to the point you were making.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Teensy say Leffy banished. Maybe he still looking for his new Chinese teef his misplaced in his wardrobe closet.

I am assuming it's something that happened elsewhere, e.g The Lounge. I don't remember him posting anything here that should result in a permanent ban.

[Dr. Z]

Agree on Conn but not on Louis. He may have stepped up his game.

Historically we have to ask ourselves if fighters approached a 45 round title fight different than a 20 round go. I believe we would see a different approach/performance and have to take that into account when visually assessing their game.

I am not saying Louis would have, or that the results would have changed, only that it is a qualification to the point you were making.

You are free to have your own opinion. Louis tried to get to Conn. It was only after he was badly staggered and Conn won the 12 the round impressively. Then Conn became ultra aggressive and went for the KO in the 13th which gave Louis his chance to land something significant on Conn. He would not catch up to Conn without Conn giving Louis the chance and the KO happened at 2:58 of the 13th round.

If the fight was 12 round Conn fights like he did and so does Louis and beat hims. In modern time you could score the 12 round 10-8 for Conn.

• After twelve rounds, Conn was ahead on two of the three scorecards and even on the third. He needed to win just one of the three remaining rounds to get the decision. However, after staggering Louis in the twelfth, Conn believed he could stop him and went for a knockout in the thirteenth. Louis, who was told by his trainer, Jack Blackburn, that he had to stop Conn to win, also went for a knockout. Louis hurt Conn with a right about a minute into the round. Louis, one of the greatest finishers of all-time, didn't let Conn off the hook. A volley of lefts and rights put Conn down for the count at 2:58 of the thirteenth round.