Rocky Marciano: Read this before smeone makes you look ****** with the facts!

[RockyMarcianofan00]

People complain about Marciano fans but Ali fans are 10000000x worse

[italianmafia23]

Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time and there is no doubt about that. Why in the world do people try and argue that? It baffles me. He never lost a fight in his career and was the only heavyweight champ in history to retire undefeated. He beat the "unbeatable" Joe Louis by KO. Louis was knocked down twice in the 8th. Marciano dropped Louis for an 8-count with a left hook, and then sent him through the ropes for the knockout. He KO'd Archie Moore; he KO'd Ezzard Charles; he KO'd Jersey Joe Walcott twice, the second time in the first round; He TKO'd Roland LaStarza -- He didn't just beat the best, he knocked them out. What more do you want???

[Hard Boiled HK]

Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time and there is no doubt about that. Why in the world do people try and argue that? It baffles me. He never lost a fight in his career and was the only heavyweight champ in history to retire undefeated. He beat the "unbeatable" Joe Louis by KO. Louis was knocked down twice in the 8th. Marciano dropped Louis for an 8-count with a left hook, and then sent him through the ropes for the knockout. He KO'd Archie Moore; he KO'd Ezzard Charles; he KO'd Jersey Joe Walcott twice, the second time in the first round; He TKO'd Roland LaStarza -- He didn't just beat the best, he knocked them out. What more do you want???

You said "Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time and there's no doubt about that". How can there be no doubt about it? Who ever people consider as "the greatest" is only a matter of opinion, and to answer your question, that's why people will try and argue who the greatest of all time is. It's their opinion.

Joe Louis was already an old man when Marciano fought him (Joe was 9 years older than Rocky), and you made it sound as if Marciano did the impossible. You can't be "unbeatable" forever. Rocky Marciano was one of the greats, but you are certainly bias when you say he is the greatest of all time AND also say there's no doubt about it.

[italianmafia23]

bro you make an ass out of yourself with every post you make, so I wouldnt be talking. It's simple I like Marciano more than you do, you love Ali I like Ali see theres the difference of course your going to favor Ali's opponents because they were in his era and thats who he fought. You put Tyson in your top 5 that alone says enough right there about your judgement so I'm gonna leave you and your pathetic opinions alone because frankly it's a waste of time talking to you.

What is wrong with having Tyson in the top 5? Before he got rid of Kevin Rooney he was unbeatable, he never came close to losing. He knocked out Marvis Frazier (Joe Frazier's son) who later suffered a pinched nerve in his neck which ended his career possibly as a result of the viscious uppercut from Tyson(for those who saw the viscious uppercut from Tyson know what I am talking about). Marvis Frazier wasn't exactly a top tier fighter though he was just Smokin' Joe's son and that was his claim to fame. However, Tyson also beat some very talented fighters in their prime. He absolutely destroyed Trevor Berbick by second round TKO to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. Berbick was the last fighter to defeat Ali before Ali's retirement winning by unanimous decision. Tyson also fought Pinklon Thomas who at one point was pictured as the future of the heavyweight division. Thomas was 29-1 with his only loss being against Berbick for the title. Thomas was TKO'd in round 6 by Tyson. Then there was 35-0 Tony Tucker, Tyson went the distance winning in an impressive unanimous decision dispelling the common myth that the prime Tyson didn't have stamina and endurance -- that's right, it's just a myth! Immediatly following the domination of Tony Tucker, Tyson fought an undefeated up and comer Tyrell Biggs who was 15-0 and TKO'd him in the 7th round. Then there was Larry Holmes, the legend. Holmes was the second to last person to beat Ali before his retirement. Ali was getting beat so bad that Ali's corner stopped the fight between the 10th and 11th rounds. Holmes was on top of the world at 48-0 before losing by unanimous decision to Michael Spinks. Spinks also beat him in the rematch. Holmes then squared off against a prime Tyson and was TKO'd in round 4. After destroying the legend Tyson fought 24-1 Tony Tubbs TKOing him in round 2 and Tubbs was badly hurt in the fight. Tyson then fought yet another boxing hall of famer Michael Spinks who was the first to defeat the undefeatable Larry Holmes TWICE and was 31-0. Michael Spinks was already in the record books by now and was considered the best fighter since Ali (at the time) and Tyson was the underdog coming into the fight. Tyson knocked him down twice and Spinks didn't get up after the second knock down. Spinks had NEVER been knocked down even once in his career before fighting Tyson! Tyson's first round destruction of Michael Spinks ranked in the top 5 of the fastest Heavyweight Title match knockouts of all time. Spinks was beaten so badly and embarrassingly by Tyson that he decided never to fight again retiring with just 1 loss. After 1988 Tyson became ****y and decided only to train when he felt like it. Cus D'Amato was now dead and with him went Tyson's work ethic and discipline. Tyson fired trainer Kevin Rooney along with a few others and brought in Don King as his promoter (possibly the worst decision a boxer can make) and got lost in the glory. By 1989 Tyson had already begun his decline in terms of his training and by 1990 it showed when he got knocked out by James "Buster" Douglas which was considered one of the biggest upsets in history. Tyson had a knockout percentage of 88% second only to George Foreman who had a knockout percentage of 89%. Mike Tyson had the best comination of pure hand speed and devestating punching power ever seen. Tyson moved around well, had excellent technique, lightning quick reflexes and flawless defense (most people don't see him as a defensive fighter but in his prime Tyson was a magnificent defensive fighter). Iron Mike, in my opinion, had the most devestating punch of all time when he was in his prime; yes, even better than Foreman. He was blessed with natural talent and worked very hard to become great early on in his career learning everything he could from the great ones before him under the watchful eye of legend Cus D'Amato. Tyson was never visibly hurt by any punch in his career up until the Douglas fight -- never wobbled stunned or dazed. Mike Tyson had the potential to possibly become the greatest of all time but his personality destroyed his opportunity...

Don't knock Tyson, he is and for ever will be a legend whether you want to accept it or not.

[italianmafia23]

You said "Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time and there's no doubt about that". How can there be no doubt about it? Who ever people consider as "the greatest" is only a matter of opinion, and to answer your question, that's why people will try and argue who the greatest of all time is. It's their opinion.

Joe Louis was already an old man when Marciano fought him (Joe was 9 years older than Rocky), and you made it sound as if Marciano did the impossible. You can't be "unbeatable" forever. Rocky Marciano was one of the greats, but you are certainly bias when you say he is the greatest of all time AND also say there's no doubt about it.

If Ali would have fought Marciano and won then I would accept Ali as the greatest unfortunatly that fight never happened. My personal opinion is that it is simply biased to consider someone anything less than the best when they fight the best fighters available to them and yet knock them all out before retiring UNDEFEATED as the champ. Marciano never ducked anyone he fought every top tier fighter available in that era before retiring. Had Marciano lost a fight or two then I would definatly rank Ali above hime but it never happened. Until the champ is beat he remains the champ. In the end Rocky Marciano is the only heavyweight champion to retire undefeated. 49-0 may never be duplicated.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

If Ali would have fought Marciano and won then I would accept Ali as the greatest unfortunatly that fight never happened. My personal opinion is that it is simply biased to consider someone anything less than the best when they fight the best fighters available to them and yet knock them all out before retiring UNDEFEATED. Had Marciano lost a fight or two then I would definatly rank Ali above hime but it never happened and until the champ is beat he remains the champ and Marciano is the only heavyweight champ to retire undefeated.

well put

[hellfire508]

If you read about the fight the rules were punches to the face were to be pulled but punches to the stomache were to be used at 100%. Who do you think benefitted from that? Not Marciano!!!

Gues what Marciano landed a shot right in Ali stomache and he was floored, he got up and demanded more money or he wouldn't continue to fight with Marciano. He got the money and the fight went on. Marciano offered to go at a full 12 round proffessional boxing match but that never materialized.

Keep in mind Marciano was a balding man at the time, he was by no means even close to his prime when he meet the much younger Ali.

Ali later said he became closer to Marciano than he had any other white boxer.

Noone says the fight was a done deal that Marciano would have beat Ali if they ever meet.

Just so you know, Ali was very out of shape. He was clowning, jesting, whatever you wanna call it. He didn't give a ****, he was there for some quick bucks. Marciano turned serious, and landed a body blow that floored Ali. What does this mean? NOTHING!

Oh, and what are you on about? Bodyshots benefit Marciano. Ali only ever through the occasional jab to the body, how would it benefit him? And it's irrelevant, because the fight was SCRIPTED!!!

Ali would beat Marciano, fairly comfortably.

[hellfire508]

If Ali would have fought Marciano and won then I would accept Ali as the greatest unfortunatly that fight never happened. My personal opinion is that it is simply biased to consider someone anything less than the best when they fight the best fighters available to them and yet knock them all out before retiring UNDEFEATED as the champ. Marciano never ducked anyone he fought every top tier fighter available in that era before retiring. Had Marciano lost a fight or two then I would definatly rank Ali above hime but it never happened. Until the champ is beat he remains the champ. In the end Rocky Marciano is the only heavyweight champion to retire undefeated. 49-0 may never be duplicated.

Nobody can stay undefeated when you are fighting the competition Ali fought. Marciano beat 2 top 20 heavyweights. Ali beat 3 top 10 heavyweights, plus two other top 20 heavyweights. Plus all the contenders like Bonavena, Quarry etc. were excellent fighters. Ali's competition is far, far better than Marciano's - and I don't care what anyone says, QUALITY is the most important factor.

[Hard Boiled HK]

I completely agree with hellfire508, but I also agree with italianmafia23 in the fact that Rocky will always be a champ. I must ask italianmafia23 though, since you said if Rocky lost 1 or 2 fights then you would "defintely rank Ali above him", who do you think will win if Ali fought Rocky?

[butterfly1964]

Rocky Marciano is the greatest of all time and there is no doubt about that. Why in the world do people try and argue that? It baffles me. He never lost a fight in his career and was the only heavyweight champ in history to retire undefeated. He beat the "unbeatable" Joe Louis by KO. Louis was knocked down twice in the 8th. Marciano dropped Louis for an 8-count with a left hook, and then sent him through the ropes for the knockout. He KO'd Archie Moore; he KO'd Ezzard Charles; he KO'd Jersey Joe Walcott twice, the second time in the first round; He TKO'd Roland LaStarza -- He didn't just beat the best, he knocked them out. What more do you want???

Let me guess, you're white, right?