Rocky Marciano: Read this before smeone makes you look ****** with the facts!

[hellfire508]

u dont know what kind of pills i have or havent taken in the past twenty4, read the website this was copied n pasted from! and be quiet b4 sumone makes u ****** with da "facts" naw u know im jp about this, rocky would not of remained undefeated that much longer, swarmers tend to have shorter careers than pure boxers, just look at frazier and ali, frazier was cut short, right after the first superfight, while ali kept it going on, to win the title 3 times, but obviously he went a little too far with it

Ok smartass, make me look ****** with the facts. Go for it.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

u dont know what kind of pills i have or havent taken in the past twenty4, read the website this was copied n pasted from! and be quiet b4 sumone makes u ****** with da "facts" naw u know im jp about this, rocky would not of remained undefeated that much longer, swarmers tend to have shorter careers than pure boxers, just look at frazier and ali, frazier was cut short, right after the first superfight, while ali kept it going on, to win the title 3 times, but obviously he went a little too far with it

Hmm these swarmers had decently long careers


Jack Dempsey - 83 fights
Floyd Patterson- 64 total fights
Mike Tyson - 58 total fights
Rocky Marciano-49 total fights (even though his was a mix swarmer/slugger)
I'm sure there's more I forgot

All these guys had pretty long careers

[hellfire508]

"white/black or brown, when u gonna realize marciano had fist of concrete, not stone, he had the ability to ko anyone at any stage in his entire life....u think tarver punches hurder? naw i dont think so, so marciano>everyone else, he kos anybody b4 or AFTER who ever laced up gloves, get that? put that in alis pipe n light it up for him, cause he might as well not boxed at all, coming after marciano, patterson shoulda just kept running the streets cause theres no way hed be better, tyson? he shoulda just kept running with the jollystompers cause marciano woulda koed him metaphorically if he was still fighting! yeah, marciano number 1, i dont care what everyone or boxing ppl have to say, he ran far, punched even farther!

i bet u feel ****** after these facts!"
There is your nice little post. It seems to me there are no facts in there at all. Just subjective, biased opinions on your part.

Let's break it down shall we?

"Marciano had fists of concrete" - I believe his fists were bone.

"He had the ability to KO anyone, at any stage in his entire life" - - Interesting fact. What about when he was 11 years old? I thought so. Seriously though, just because Marciano KO'd alot of people, doesn't mean he could KO anyone. Could he KO Chuvalo? How about Ali? Tex Cobb? I don't think so. And if he could KO everyone, why didn't he KO Don Mogard? Or Ted Lowry? Or Red Applegate? Wow there are some big names there, huh?

"You think Tarver punches harder? naw so marciano>everyone else" - Marciano hit a helluva lot harder than Tarver does, that's for sure. However, why does that make him greater than everyone else? Since when does power constitute greatness? If it does, then George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Gerry Cooney all rank higher than Marciano.

"he kos anybody b4 or AFTER who ever laced up gloves, get that?" -- again, this is just your biased opinion. He had 43 KO's from 49 victories, which means he couldn't even KO some bums from his time, let alone guys from other eras. I'm not one who thinks weight is a factor is greatness, however, these guys that Marciano didn't KO were under 180 pounds for the most part. What's gonna happen when Marciano takes on a Larry Holmes, or Lennox Lewis, or Muhammad Ali?

"put that in alis pipe n light it up for him, cause he might as well not boxed at all, coming after marciano, patterson shoulda just kept running the streets cause theres no way hed be better, tyson?"-
-Ali may aswell not have boxed? Why exactly? Especially considering almost every respected boxing historian ranks him as the number 1 heavyweight, or second behind Joe Louis. Quite frankly this paragraph doesn't make sense. What are you talking about with Patterson? And Tyson? I believe that Tyson in head-to-head terms, was much better than Marciano. In terms of accomplishments, Marciano wins though.

yeah, marciano number 1, i dont care what everyone or boxing ppl have to say, he ran far, punched even farther!
You don't care what everyone else says? Wow, how very open-minded and objective of you. And sorry, when did running distance constitute greatness? Does that mean Kenyan marathon runners were better fighters than Marciano? And no, he did not punch harder than anyone else.

Have a nice day in your world of fantasy.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

"white/black or brown, when u gonna realize marciano had fist of concrete, not stone, he had the ability to ko anyone at any stage in his entire life....u think tarver punches hurder? naw i dont think so, so marciano>everyone else, he kos anybody b4 or AFTER who ever laced up gloves, get that? put that in alis pipe n light it up for him, cause he might as well not boxed at all, coming after marciano, patterson shoulda just kept running the streets cause theres no way hed be better, tyson? he shoulda just kept running with the jollystompers cause marciano woulda koed him metaphorically if he was still fighting! yeah, marciano number 1, i dont care what everyone or boxing ppl have to say, he ran far, punched even farther!

i bet u feel ****** after these facts!"
There is your nice little post. It seems to me there are no facts in there at all. Just subjective, biased opinions on your part.

Let's break it down shall we?

"Marciano had fists of concrete" - I believe his fists were bone.

"He had the ability to KO anyone, at any stage in his entire life" - - Interesting fact. What about when he was 11 years old? I thought so. Seriously though, just because Marciano KO'd alot of people, doesn't mean he could KO anyone. Could he KO Chuvalo? How about Ali? Tex Cobb? I don't think so. And if he could KO everyone, why didn't he KO Don Mogard? Or Ted Lowry? Or Red Applegate? Wow there are some big names there, huh?

"You think Tarver punches harder? naw so marciano>everyone else" - Marciano hit a helluva lot harder than Tarver does, that's for sure. However, why does that make him greater than everyone else? Since when does power constitute greatness? If it does, then George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Gerry Cooney all rank higher than Marciano.

"he kos anybody b4 or AFTER who ever laced up gloves, get that?" -- again, this is just your biased opinion. He had 43 KO's from 49 victories, which means he couldn't even KO some bums from his time, let alone guys from other eras. I'm not one who thinks weight is a factor is greatness, however, these guys that Marciano didn't KO were under 180 pounds for the most part. What's gonna happen when Marciano takes on a Larry Holmes, or Lennox Lewis, or Muhammad Ali?

"put that in alis pipe n light it up for him, cause he might as well not boxed at all, coming after marciano, patterson shoulda just kept running the streets cause theres no way hed be better, tyson?"-
-Ali may aswell not have boxed? Why exactly? Especially considering almost every respected boxing historian ranks him as the number 1 heavyweight, or second behind Joe Louis. Quite frankly this paragraph doesn't make sense. What are you talking about with Patterson? And Tyson? I believe that Tyson in head-to-head terms, was much better than Marciano. In terms of accomplishments, Marciano wins though.

yeah, marciano number 1, i dont care what everyone or boxing ppl have to say, he ran far, punched even farther!
You don't care what everyone else says? Wow, how very open-minded and objective of you. And sorry, when did running distance constitute greatness? Does that mean Kenyan marathon runners were better fighters than Marciano? And no, he did not punch harder than anyone else.

Have a nice day in your world of fantasy.

Starting at the top-
He probably hit hella hard for a 11 year old too
lol no but seriously He could have KO'd anyone, The names you listed are by UD and there in 10 rounds there's no doubht in my mind had they went longer he'd have KO'd them, If the Walcott fight went 10 Walcott would have won. so ther's your answer to that. But lets remember mostly anybody can KO anybody, KO'ing somebody is just having a good punch in the right place with enough power, difficulty is getting that person hit cleanly.

Next George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Mike Tyson all hit harder then Rocky Marciano I agree with that, Lennox Lewis its possible considering his size it wouldn't surprise me to hear he hit harder but Still even if Lewis did hit harder I'd never rank Lewis higher then Marciano. I also think Marciano had more efficient power so to speak, Marciano had KO power in either hand and I think Marciano may hit up there with Lewis, Size doesn't necessarily mean somebody hits hard but Lewis had power with his size, harder then Marciano possibley. But you'll post back yelling at me for being a ****** Marciano fan.

Marciano KO'd guys above is weight, lets be honest hear he didn't KO 6 people, now thats pretty good. The fact is many of these guys could have been journeymen who knew how to keep Marciano away or how to cover up well. This would allow some people to not get KO'd. Then Again Roland Lastarza tried this and he got his arms broken. He KO'd everyone while he was prime except Ezzard Charles I, but lets face it Charles was a fighter who knew how to keep people away even with this Marciano was able to score a UD.

I actually don't know what to make of the 4th paragraph

What he said is he punched FARTHER then anyone else which I think refers to how Marciano could punch for 15 rounds and be just as fresh (for the most part) in the 15th as he was in the first. Which is true I know very few people who were able to do this, possibly a prime Ali, maybe maybe not.

Alright I try not to be biased because I'm not but IMO Marciano hit harder then Lennox Lewis but the fact that somebody were to argue that doesn't fase me because given his size it's not that easy to believe.

[hellfire508]

Starting at the top-
He probably hit hella hard for a 11 year old too
lol no but seriously He could have KO'd anyone, The names you listed are by UD and there in 10 rounds there's no doubht in my mind had they went longer he'd have KO'd them, If the Walcott fight went 10 Walcott would have won. so ther's your answer to that. But lets remember mostly anybody can KO anybody, KO'ing somebody is just having a good punch in the right place with enough power, difficulty is getting that person hit cleanly.

Next George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Mike Tyson all hit harder then Rocky Marciano I agree with that, Lennox Lewis its possible considering his size it wouldn't surprise me to hear he hit harder but Still even if Lewis did hit harder I'd never rank Lewis higher then Marciano. I also think Marciano had more efficient power so to speak, Marciano had KO power in either hand and I think Marciano may hit up there with Lewis, Size doesn't necessarily mean somebody hits hard but Lewis had power with his size, harder then Marciano possibley. But you'll post back yelling at me for being a ****** Marciano fan.

Marciano KO'd guys above is weight, lets be honest hear he didn't KO 6 people, now thats pretty good. The fact is many of these guys could have been journeymen who knew how to keep Marciano away or how to cover up well. This would allow some people to not get KO'd. Then Again Roland Lastarza tried this and he got his arms broken. He KO'd everyone while he was prime except Ezzard Charles I, but lets face it Charles was a fighter who knew how to keep people away even with this Marciano was able to score a UD.

I actually don't know what to make of the 4th paragraph

What he said is he punched FARTHER then anyone else which I think refers to how Marciano could punch for 15 rounds and be just as fresh (for the most part) in the 15th as he was in the first. Which is true I know very few people who were able to do this, possibly a prime Ali, maybe maybe not.

Alright I try not to be biased because I'm not but IMO Marciano hit harder then Lennox Lewis but the fact that somebody were to argue that doesn't fase me because given his size it's not that easy to believe.

Starting at the top:

No doubt about that. Anyone can KO anyone. I guess I should have said, he WOULDN'T KO everyone.

Second part: No that isn't be a ****** Marciano fan. At least you conceed others hit harder. I feel Lewis hit harder, but there is no way of proving that. So I guess we can just have our opinions. As for him being a more efficient puncher, yeah I can admit to that. I think maybe guys like Tyson were similar in that respect. Foreman had killing power in both hands, but wasn't too conservative with it.

Third paragraph: No doubt. Marciano for his size was a machine. He would be a tough fight for every ATG. I pick a few fighters to beat him, but that takes nothing away from how good he was. And yeah I wasn't holding the 43 from 49 against him, that is a brilliant KO record. I was just pointing out to that nuthugger that he didn't just KO everybody, like he suggested. I guess it shows that he could win decisions, which is an up for him.

Yeah just ignore the 4th paragraph.

And your last point, I see what you mean. Yeah Marciano carried his power into the late rounds as good as, if not better than anyone. Perhaps Frazier is up there too.

Basically I'm not having a go at Marciano, I'm just trying to show this other guy that he is talking out of his ass.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Starting at the top:

No doubt about that. Anyone can KO anyone. I guess I should have said, he WOULDN'T KO everyone.

Second part: No that isn't be a ****** Marciano fan. At least you conceed others hit harder. I feel Lewis hit harder, but there is no way of proving that. So I guess we can just have our opinions. As for him being a more efficient puncher, yeah I can admit to that. I think maybe guys like Tyson were similar in that respect. Foreman had killing power in both hands, but wasn't too conservative with it.

Third paragraph: No doubt. Marciano for his size was a machine. He would be a tough fight for every ATG. I pick a few fighters to beat him, but that takes nothing away from how good he was. And yeah I wasn't holding the 43 from 49 against him, that is a brilliant KO record. I was just pointing out to that nuthugger that he didn't just KO everybody, like he suggested. I guess it shows that he could win decisions, which is an up for him.

Yeah just ignore the 4th paragraph.

And your last point, I see what you mean. Yeah Marciano carried his power into the late rounds as good as, if not better than anyone. Perhaps Frazier is up there too.

Basically I'm not having a go at Marciano, I'm just trying to show this other guy that he is talking out of his ass.

Eh some of my very first posts were saying that Marciano hit harder then Foreman but then I watched like 10000 more fights since then and my view is a little less distorted.

Foreman had killing power in his right hand, and really hard power in his left. Guys I definitely know hit harder then Marciano are Foreman,Shavers,and Tyson. There are others that I rank up with Marciano. Guys like Liston,Dempsey,Max Baer,Joe Frazier,Joe Louis. These are all guys that i rank in the same general area as marciano whether above or below eh I have my opinions.
P4P- Marciano hit the hardest IMO

When I first came here I wish i saw this video this kinda shows you foremans power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirl...%3Fp%3D1532925

[hellfire508]

Nice video. Thanks for that.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

I bookmarked it out of a different thread

[sleazyfellow]

Ok smartass, make me look ****** with the facts. Go for it.

i guess u didnt notice the jp i wrote down, it means just playing, u notice how butterfly doesnt jump all over my post, cause he knows im just talking ******, i said in earlier threads liston would ko marciano, u just seem to not notice, oh, and i posted that video on another thread in fantasy fights... lol...marciano ko in 2 rounds everyone

[RockyMarcianofan00]

i guess u didnt notice the jp i wrote down, it means just playing, u notice how butterfly doesnt jump all over my post, cause he knows im just talking ******, i said in earlier threads liston would ko marciano, u just seem to not notice, oh, and i posted that video on another thread in fantasy fights... lol...marciano ko in 2 rounds everyone

Yea that is pretty funny