James Toney; Most overrated fighter of the 90's?

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Who could you think of?

He may not be that well known but he's considered an ATG by most boxing fans I would say from what I've seen.

I don't buy that excuse because he could have moved up in weight where good fights were available.

Several guys for several different reasons. Ike Quartey, Kostya Tszyu, Tom "Boom Boom" Johnson, Jorge Paez to name a few. Most of whom had more notoriety and fanfare than Lopez.

I do have to agree that it would have been nice if Finito had moved up in weight a lot earlier than he did, though. Fights with Carbajal or Chiquita Gonzalez would have been tremendous to see.

[IronDanHamza]

Several guys for several different reasons. Ike Quartey, Kostya Tszyu, Tom "Boom Boom" Johnson, Jorge Paez to name a few. Most of whom had more notoriety and fanfare than Lopez.

I do have to agree that it would have been nice if Finito had moved up in weight a lot earlier than he did, though. Fights with Carbajal or Chiquita Gonzalez would have been tremendous to see.

None of those are considered ATG's though like Lopez.

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None of those are considered ATG's though like Lopez.

Tszyu is. Some even think he is in the conversation for best junior welter of all time.

[IronDanHamza]

nothing to do with critisizing Lennox Lewis.. If you knew anything whatsoever about the sport of boxing, you would not have said, " Off topic i'll second this" What is his top 5 wins.....You would not have said that, because if you knew about the sport of boxing and the history of boxing, like you claim you do. Then you would already know of Jimmy Wilde's greatness. It is like me asking you, "Who are Evander Holyfields top 5 wins" or "Who are Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonards top 5 wins"... Jimmy Wilde is in that catagory/league..He is of the same level of fighter as those guys. How could you not know, if as you profess, you know boxing?..

Your not befundled about why i brought up Boxrec.com. You know exactly why i brought it up. because it's why you are questioning Wilde's resume and quality of opponents, after consulting boxrec.com

Now i can understand a clown like BennyST not having a clue who Jimmy Wilde is, because he just a troll who infests this site from time to time. My guess is BennyST wouldn't know who Tyson Fury or Muhammad Ali are, which gives you an insight into his boxing knowledge.

The people you named are not great fighters.

The fact you've put Jimmy Wilde amongst Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Evander Holyfield's names is sad.

[IronDanHamza]

Tszyu is. Some even think he is in the conversation for best junior welter of all time.

Surely not.

I've honestly never even seen that said in my life.

In still confused how he was inducted into the HOF.

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Surely not.

I've honestly never even seen that said in my life.

From our very own History forum:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14719293#post14719293

Kostya Tszyu was one of my favorites and had a stellar career. One of the few champions in the last twenty years to be undisputed. Where would he be in the all time 63 Kg rankings?

I have him just below Chavez and above Pryor at number 2.

I think I'd have him top five, but not top three. Chavez, Cervantes, Locche, there are a lot of great guys at 140.

And no offense to those posters as they are entitled to their opinion. Even if I disagree.

But this is just a sample of what is a very common view of Tszyu among boxing fans in my experience. They rate him far more highly than I think is warranted.

[HWChampion]

From our very own History forum:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14719293#post14719293

And no offense to those posters as they are entitled to their opinion. Even if I disagree.

But this is just a sample of what is a very common view of Tszyu among boxing fans in my experience. They rate him far more highly than I think is warranted.

Tszyu is overrated to fuc,k.... I don't even think his career warrants a true HOF status.

[billeau2]

I didn't say the fight alike (other than Sosa to a degree)

Just like Ward fights nothing like Toney and you've based your prediction off that fight with Froch.

My point was Tiberi and Thadzi beat Toney clearly. Tiberi with relative ease.

Sosa didn't beat Toney but he did trouble him down the stretch.

So what's the difference?

They say Toney was in shape at MW, well Tiberi was a MW fight.

There all brought elements to how Froch could have success. Just like "Toney would destroy Froch because Ward out boxed Froch" Ward is a consistent boxer, Toney isn't. Toney allowed himself to be out worked on many occasions, Ward doesn't. It's apples and oranges with those two.

Again Froch doesn't particularly fight like the 3 I mentioned but I am just using the same logic.

There's nothing to suggest Froch gets wiped out in 7 rounds by Toney. Nothing at all and there's ample reasons to think otherwise but like I said I understand Toney is a mixture of Muhammad Ali, Roy Jones and Ray Robinson when it comes to fantasy fights.

I can see the Tiberi fight as having some of those elements, will have to agree to disagree about the other two fighters for the reasons mentioned in the other post. yes Ward is more consistant in his approach...Ward has also fought under different circumstances, ie in not in many weight divisions, but yeah one can say that.

[billeau2]

James was having severe trouble making weight for that Tiberi bout. His issue with the scales hsd slready begun. James dropped more bouts at the scales than he ever has in a ring.

James was the man....................

Well thats James fault isn't it? James Toney is one of my favorite fighters and I won't patronize him...

[Suckmedry]

Jeez. Handjob went in on some **** IN THIS THREAD.