James Toney; Most overrated fighter of the 90's?

[BennyST]

Jimmy Wilde?... The Greatest Flyweight who ever lived. Wilde won his first 100 recorded fights, beating the very best there was to beat. Yet you claim his resume is "WEAK" LOL...

He sure did.

Tell me then Sonny, who was the best fighter he beat?

People that don't know **** always say what exactly what you just said. People that haven't looked into Wilde at all and just know the barest minimum.

[IronDanHamza]

He sure did.

Tell me then Sonny, who was the best fighter he beat?

People that don't know **** always say what exactly what you just said. People that haven't looked into Wilde at all and just know the barest minimum.

Off topic but I'll second this question.

What's his top 5 wins?

[sonnyboyx2]

Off topic but I'll second this question.

What's his top 5 wins?

Joe Lynch
Tancy Lee
Joe Conn
Young Zulu Kid
Joe Symonds

Above are 5 wins which are quite remarkable victories as are most of Jimmy Wilde's victories... Dan, you had me believing a couple of months back, that you knew boxing?.. I have quickly sussed you out as a fraud.

Jimmy Wilde has been universally recognised as "The Greatest Flyweight who ever lived".. for over 100yrs by every boxing commentator throughout history. Yet here we have you and Benny rubbishing his resume

You both need to go away and read up on Jimmy Wilde. His life story is perhaps the greatest and saddest (his death) in all boxing history.

I can see what you two clowns have done LOL... You have went to Boxrec.com, typed in Jimmy Wilde. then looked at how many fights his opponents had ... because Boxrec.com says an opponents record was 3-1-1 You fools believe that means that opponent only had 5 fights eh LOL

Wilde was champion 100yrs ago, records of fighters pre-1940 are virtually all missing dozens of fights. In some cases 100s of fights. Boxrec.com does not have a magic wand or crystal ball they wave or look into, to see how many fights a boxer had in his career. Boxrec.com is wrong on thousands of boxers records. Just like they are wrong on fighters heights, bithplaces, weight etc..

Jimmy Wilde - The Greatest pound 4 pound puncher in Boxing history.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/wilde.html

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I've made my feelings known about the RJJ-Toney era before. I totally agree with IronDan the guy is over rated. That's not to say the punch drunk drug cheat wasn't talented.

[IronDanHamza]

Joe Lynch
Tancy Lee
Joe Conn
Young Zulu Kid
Joe Symonds

Above are 5 wins which are quite remarkable victories as are most of Jimmy Wilde's victories... Dan, you had me believing a couple of months back, that you knew boxing?.. I have quickly sussed you out as a fraud.

Jimmy Wilde has been universally recognised as "The Greatest Flyweight who ever lived".. for over 100yrs by every boxing commentator throughout history. Yet here we have you and Benny rubbishing his resume

You both need to go away and read up on Jimmy Wilde. His life story is perhaps the greatest and saddest (his death) in all boxing history.

I can see what you two clowns have done LOL... You have went to Boxrec.com, typed in Jimmy Wilde. then looked at how many fights his opponents had ... because Boxrec.com says an opponents record was 3-1-1 You fools believe that means that opponent only had 5 fights eh LOL

Wilde was champion 100yrs ago, records of fighters pre-1940 are virtually all missing dozens of fights. In some cases 100s of fights. Boxrec.com does not have a magic wand or crystal ball they wave or look into, to see how many fights a boxer had in his career. Boxrec.com is wrong on thousands of boxers records. Just like they are wrong on fighters heights, bithplaces, weight etc..

Jimmy Wilde - The Greatest pound 4 pound puncher in Boxing history.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/wilde.html

Remarkable wins in what way?

So when I was critising Lennox Lewis I knew boxing but now I disagree with you I'm a fraud. Ok.

That was a nice run down on why Boxrec isn't always accurate. Befuddled as to why you've told me that but hey ho.

Jimmy Wilde's resume is not impressive.

[sonnyboyx2]

Remarkable wins in what way?

So when I was critising Lennox Lewis I knew boxing but now I disagree with you I'm a fraud. Ok.

That was a nice run down on why Boxrec isn't always accurate. Befuddled as to why you've told me that but hey ho.

Jimmy Wilde's resume is not impressive.

nothing to do with critisizing Lennox Lewis.. If you knew anything whatsoever about the sport of boxing, you would not have said, " Off topic i'll second this" What is his top 5 wins.....You would not have said that, because if you knew about the sport of boxing and the history of boxing, like you claim you do. Then you would already know of Jimmy Wilde's greatness. It is like me asking you, "Who are Evander Holyfields top 5 wins" or "Who are Sugar Ray Robinson & Sugar Ray Leonards top 5 wins"... Jimmy Wilde is in that catagory/league..He is of the same level of fighter as those guys. How could you not know, if as you profess, you know boxing?..

Your not befundled about why i brought up Boxrec.com. You know exactly why i brought it up. because it's why you are questioning Wilde's resume and quality of opponents, after consulting boxrec.com

Now i can understand a clown like BennyST not having a clue who Jimmy Wilde is, because he just a troll who infests this site from time to time. My guess is BennyST wouldn't know who Tyson Fury or Muhammad Ali are, which gives you an insight into his boxing knowledge.

[NChristo]

He has some solid wins like Joe Lynch and Memphis Pal Moore but Wilde does not deserve to be in the discussion of top 10 ATG which he often is, which is why many people see him as over rated, his resume does not come close to Leonard's or Robinson's and that is not even a debate, he lost too his best opponents be it at the end of his career (Herman and Villa), remarkable little man but he falls leagues short of Robinson and the top 15 / 20.

[sonnyboyx2]

He has some solid wins like Joe Lynch and Memphis Pal Moore but Wilde does not deserve to be in the discussion of top 10 ATG which he often is, which is why many people see him as over rated, his resume does not come close to Leonard's or Robinson's and that is not even a debate, he lost too his best opponents be it at the end of his career (Herman and Villa), remarkable little man but he falls leagues short of Robinson and the top 15 / 20.

You are having a laugh surely... Jimmy Wilde fought men 25-50lbs heavier than himself throughout his career. Wilde fought several hundred unlicensed fights all over britain against the best there was to fight. Wilde knocked out over 100 men, almost every single one of them weighed far heavier than Jimmy Wilde. He is without doubt the greatest fighter by a country mile, these islands ever produced. Yet we have produced fighters like Joe Calzagie, who hold victories over Roy Jones & Bernard Hopkins. Who couldn't hold a candle to Jimmy Wilde.

We are lucky today, if there are 10 professional boxing shows each week in the UK. Yet 100yrs ago there would be hundreds of shows each week. Jimmy Wilde reigned supreme. The best we ever had. Wilde was in his fighting days, better than all the other champions of that era: Langford, Johnson, Leonard, Ketchel, Papke, Choynski, McCoy, Chip, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Walcott, Nelson .... None was as great as "The Tylorstown Terror - Jimmy Wilde".

[sonnyboyx2]

You are having a laugh surely... Jimmy Wilde fought men 25-50lbs heavier than himself throughout his career. Wilde fought several hundred unlicensed fights all over britain against the best there was to fight. Wilde knocked out over 100 men, almost every single one of them weighed far heavier than Jimmy Wilde. He is without doubt the greatest fighter by a country mile, these islands ever produced. Yet we have produced fighters like Joe Calzagie, who hold victories over Roy Jones & Bernard Hopkins. Who couldn't hold a candle to Jimmy Wilde.

We are lucky today, if there are 10 professional boxing shows each week in the UK. Yet 100yrs ago there would be hundreds of shows each week. Jimmy Wilde reigned supreme. The best we ever had. Wilde was in his fighting days, better than all the other champions of that era: Langford, Johnson, Leonard, Ketchel, Papke, Choynski, McCoy, Chip, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Walcott, Nelson .... None was as great as "The Tylorstown Terror - Jimmy Wilde".

CHRIS HAINES looks back at the colourful career of the Tylorstown Terror.

BOXER Jimmy Wilde was described by heavyweight champion Gene Tunney as “the greatest fighter I ever saw”.

Jimmy Wilde was born May 15, 1892 in Quakers Yard, Merthyr Tydfil. At the age of twelve his family moved to Station Road, Tylorstown, and Jimmy began working in the coal mines.

Wilde first fought at the age of 16 in the boxing booths, he had more than 500 fights and fought as many as 25 opponents in one day.

He stood 5ft 2in, had a 68in reach and never weighed more than 108lbs but possessed incredible punching power in both hands.

His physical appearance was extremely deceptive, although small, pale and frail looking, Wilde possessed great strength and blindingly fast hands.

After building a reputation for himself in the boxing booths, Jimmy embarked on a series of wins that would establish him as a legend of the fight game.

Notable victories included an eighteenth round knockout of Billy Padden to take the British title, a six round kayo of Frenchman Eugene Husson and wins over highly-rated Sid Smith and Joe Symonds.

Wilde remained unbeaten for four years and a total of 101 fights. They came, they saw, and in the vast majority of cases, they were knocked out.

Challenging for the British and European flyweight titles, Wilde tasted defeat for the first time after his corner threw in the towel in the 17th round against Scotland's Tancy Lee.

Afterward Jimmy instructed his corner to never throw the towel in again – no matter what.

Jimmy Wilde's destiny was fulfilled when on December 18 1916, he became the first officially recognised World Flyweight Champion by defeating American Young Zulu Kid.

During the First World War, Jimmy Wilde served as a Sergeant Instructor fighting professionally only twice in 1917 and three times in 1918.

His last fight after a two year absence from the ring was against hard-hitting Pancho Villa who took his Flyweight title in 1923.

The Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand has an unrivalled record consisting of 130 fights, three losses, one draw, and 99 knockouts.

Wilde was one of the most prolific knockout winners of all time, according to Ring Magazine, which named him the third greatest puncher ever in 2003.

Jimmy Wilde was not only boxing's first flyweight champion – he was also the greatest.

[sonnyboyx2]

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